Yes, Trainer Phil, I simply do not know what I do not know, and I do not take things at face value...That is all, it is not an allegation, it is symptomatic of a skeptical and analytical nature...
2 cents wrote:Yes, Trainer Phil, I simply do not know what I do not know, and I do not take things at face value...That is all, it is not an allegation, it is symptomatic of a skeptical and analytical nature...
So you trust no one in track? Carl Lewis? Flo Jo? Jackie JK? Gay? Bolt? You question the validity of all performances? If so, why would you even want to watch track?
TrainerPhil wrote:The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I don't make allegations regarding drug use, but just know that you are easily manipulated....
Unlike USTF/USDA, where test at their trials are done by USDA/USTF. Test at Jamaica's Trial and out of competition are done by WADA/IAAF staffs, and send to WADA/IAAF Laboratories.
"This is bad for Jamaican track and bad for track and field"
But after giving it some thought, this is actually a good thing. The JAAA has been accused of not properly testing it's athletes. The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I'm still interested to see who the two sprinters are. I sincerly hope it is not young Yohan. I don't think you can call him an A-Lister yet, but he sure has the goods to be on very soon.
These arent the first positives test out of JAAA. Julien Dunkley tested positive last year and 'supposedly' Steve Mullings did in 2004, but thats a whole nother issue Tom Borish brought up more than enough evidence around that test that CLEARLY showed someone tampering with the sample ID numbers. WHat I would call a switch-a-roo.
2 cents wrote:Yes, Trainer Phil, I simply do not know what I do not know, and I do not take things at face value...That is all, it is not an allegation, it is symptomatic of a skeptical and analytical nature...
So you trust no one in track? Carl Lewis? Flo Jo? Jackie JK? Gay? Bolt? You question the validity of all performances? If so, why would you even want to watch track?
I don't trust politicians, but I still enjoy the spectacle.....I am simply acknowledging the truth, which is that much of it remains inaccessible.
TrainerPhil wrote:The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I don't make allegations regarding drug use, but just know that you are easily manipulated....
Unlike USTF/USDA, where test at their trials are done by USDA/USTF. Test at Jamaica's Trial and out of competition are done by WADA/IAAF staffs, and send to WADA/IAAF Laboratories.
Well if this is so, it would make it difficult for Jamaican officials to perform a cover up. If an outside, neutral party is doing the testing, the results would be more believable, right 2 cents?
"This is bad for Jamaican track and bad for track and field"
But after giving it some thought, this is actually a good thing. The JAAA has been accused of not properly testing it's athletes. The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I'm still interested to see who the two sprinters are. I sincerly hope it is not young Yohan. I don't think you can call him an A-Lister yet, but he sure has the goods to be on very soon.
These arent the first positives test out of JAAA. Julien Dunkley tested positive last year and 'supposedly' Steve Mullings did in 2004, but thats a whole nother issue Tom Borish brought up more than enough evidence around that test that CLEARLY showed someone tampering with the sample ID numbers. WHat I would call a switch-a-roo.
Switch-a-roo with who? Do you know that WADA/IAAF staffs are the ones that collect Samples for Jamaican athletes at TRIALS????? Please stop your foolishness.
**Any minute now, someone will find a way to blame it on the USA**
**As I sit back and laugh, because most of these same people was on Trackshark that is on here now under different names was claiming that Jamaicans don't use PED's**
Sportfanx, I wont speculate on whose test might have been switched. But the samples were CLEARLY tampered with. There was even a sample missing. Mullings original type out sample cover was handwritten over.
Maybe nothing happened, but when samples are tampered with thats makes the whole ordeal look underhanded.
Furthermore, the JAAA does do testing, but they don't have an independent testing body. I won't even go into the problems tha can arise from this set-up.
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guruof track wrote:Sportfanx, I wont speculate on whose test might have been switched. But the samples were CLEARLY tampered with. There was even a sample missing. Mullings original type out sample cover was handwritten over.
Maybe nothing happened, but when samples are tampered with thats makes the whole ordeal look underhanded.
I guess the people them from WADA/IAAF Tamper with testing. Mullings was a cheat!!! He should've been BAN FOR LIFE!!!
guruof track wrote:Sportfanx, I wont speculate on whose test might have been switched. But the samples were CLEARLY tampered with. There was even a sample missing. Mullings original type out sample cover was handwritten over.
Maybe nothing happened, but when samples are tampered with thats makes the whole ordeal look underhanded.
guruof track wrote:Sportfanx, I wont speculate on whose test might have been switched. But the samples were CLEARLY tampered with. There was even a sample missing. Mullings original type out sample cover was handwritten over.
Maybe nothing happened, but when samples are tampered with thats makes the whole ordeal look underhanded.
I guess the people them from WADA/IAAF Tamper with testing. Mullings was a cheat!!! He should've been BAN FOR LIFE!!!
That test was taking by the JAAA (and tampered with), then sent to the IAAF for them to run test. The ID numbers didnt match at the JAAA level. These are facts, not speculation. Its questionable if that test really belonged to Mullings.
Your on this board spreading misinformation about the JAAA and its testing procedures. The JAAA DOES do testing, hell they test at their OWN trials. BUT there is NO oversight body or committee to keep the process honest. You can't sell me those lemons and tell me they are oranges. I KNOW the facts on this.
The US has an independent drug testing body outside the USATF.
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Go post the facts about CARL LEWIS Positive Drugs test cover up in 1988.
Everyone know (Well the people who know the truth) that WADA/IAAF staffs do drug testing for Jamaica, and the SAMPLES are send to WADA/IAAF Certified Laboratories.
Do you guys think by testing athletes, it is the sure way to catch them? What about unknown and undetectable drugs? Very naive to assume everyon who tests negative is also 100% clean.
Sportsfanx1 wrote:Go post the facts about CARL LEWIS Positive Drugs test cover up in 1988.
Everyone know (Well the people who know the truth) that WADA/IAAF staffs do drug testing for Jamaica, and the SAMPLES are send to WADA/IAAF Certified Laboratories.
Stop Hating!!
I'm not hating, I freely admit Carl Lewis AND several others in his camp test positive for ban substances.
But again your continue to spread misinformation about the process the JAAA uses.
The process is equivalent to a TJ being the judge and measuring his own jumps or better yet the accused being the judge at his own trial.
Sportsfanx1 wrote:Go post the facts about CARL LEWIS Positive Drugs test cover up in 1988.
Everyone know (Well the people who know the truth) that WADA/IAAF staffs do drug testing for Jamaica, and the SAMPLES are send to WADA/IAAF Certified Laboratories.
Stop Hating!!
My man, Guru of track just hit you with facts homie, he's not hating. Get off that for once and just man up and admit you really don't know the deal. He does!
Make up you'll minds. First Jamaica don't have a drug testing and now They do testing.
The information is on IAAF websites, so I'm sure if you really want to know you would. ANY COUNTRY THAT DON'T HAVE A ANTI-DOPING COMMITTEE and FACILITIES in place. The IAAF representatives are the ones who do the TEST in that country. That is an IAAF rule and that on the WEBSITE Plain as day. IN 2004 the IAAF representatives and results send to their certified Laboratories . Go burn in hell with that crap!!
Sportsfanx1 wrote:Go post the facts about CARL LEWIS Positive Drugs test cover up in 1988.
Everyone know (Well the people who know the truth) that WADA/IAAF staffs do drug testing for Jamaica, and the SAMPLES are send to WADA/IAAF Certified Laboratories.
Stop Hating!!
I'm not hating, I freely admit Carl Lewis AND several others in his camp test positive for ban substances.
But again your continue to spread misinformation about the process the JAAA uses.
The process is equivalent to a TJ being the judge and measuring his own jumps or better yet the accused being the judge at his own trial.
But most already knew this....
Only way to solve doping is having independent bodies controlling this procedure. Unfortunately, we've learned the hard way.
Sportsfanx1 wrote:Make up you'll minds. First Jamaica don't have a drug testing and now They do testing.
The information is on IAAF websites, so I'm sure if you really want to know you would. ANY COUNTRY THAT DON'T HAVE A ANTI-DOPING COMMITTEE and FACILITIES in place. The IAAF representatives are the ones who do the TEST in that country. That is an IAAF rule and that on the WEBSITE Plain as day. IN 2004 the IAAF representatives and results send to their certified Laboratories did the testing. Go burn in hell with that crap!!
This is equivalent to saying Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. Its misleading at a minimum or an outright lie at some level.
"I know a lot of NCAA coaches around the country who are very skeptical of the situation down there in Jamaica," said Al Schmidt, who is now in his 17th season as the head coach for the Mississippi State's men's and women's track teams.
"I guess we were also naive to not fight this as hard as we should have. We put our faith in the JAAA and it appears that they didn't know what they were doing."
justblaze1011 wrote:Damn Guru, I think you hit a button. He telling people to burn in hell...geez!! Sensitive aren't we???
Come on guys. Jamaica is the 5th most tested country in the world. That's a fact. Just be honest here. The IAAF published the information late last year or early this year. Look it up.
Oh an American saying he/she is skeptical of system in Jamaica.
I would be digging a whole to hide my face, If was in associated with what took place IN 1988 in USA. IT'S ASHAME AND DISGRACE!! But then again, it's common place to you.
LOL, I'm sure you saying with a straight face. "I admit Carl Lewis tested Positive" And he was still allowed to take part, but that just to show the INTEGRITY OF USA Track and Field Body.
I see...if they don't have any form of moral responsibility... I don't expect their fans to do.
justblaze1011 wrote:Damn Guru, I think you hit a button. He telling people to burn in hell...geez!! Sensitive aren't we???
Come on guys. Jamaica is the 5th most tested country in the world. That's a fact. Just be honest here. The IAAF published the information late last year or early this year. Look it up.
justblaze1011 wrote:Damn Guru, I think you hit a button. He telling people to burn in hell...geez!! Sensitive aren't we???
Come on guys. Jamaica is the 5th most tested country in the world. That's a fact. Just be honest here. The IAAF published the information late last year or early this year. Look it up.
Everything is on IAAF WEBSITE. That just goes to show.. how much information they are willing to gain.
Sportsfanx1 wrote:... Unlike USTF/USDA, where test at their trials are done by USDA/USTF. Test at Jamaica's Trial and out of competition are done by WADA/IAAF staffs, and send to WADA/IAAF Laboratories.
USATF has not had anything to do with testing since USADA was formed.
justblaze1011 wrote:Damn Guru, I think you hit a button. He telling people to burn in hell...geez!! Sensitive aren't we???
Come on guys. Jamaica is the 5th most tested country in the world. That's a fact. Just be honest here. The IAAF published the information late last year or early this year. Look it up.
Just great, just what we need right before World Championships…I don’t care who it is, but we the public need to be informed. This right here is one of the reasons I don’t point fingers at the US athletes and I don’t buy into the “we are Jamaicans, we don’t do drugs” hype…Anybody can do it, and anyone can be susceptible to the lure of wanting to be on top, no matter the cost…It’s bad enough some of our athletes are suspected of being dirty, now this…
I was unfamiliar with the whole Steve Mullings situation until about 2 years ago, and after reading abt it, I must admit, things are real sketchy, now I'm not pointing fingers, but sometimes, we need to stop blaming the Americans and pointing out their mishaps to deflect from our issues. While I think the majority of the Jamaican athletes are clean, its situations like this that goes to show that you can never be 100% sure of anyone AND that drug use in track and field is every country's problem and Jamaica is not immune because the athletes are humans...No amount of chastisement from our people or possible death from overzealous gunmen is going to deter someone from taking drugs if it means tiime in the spotlight.... We as fans and even citizens need to wake up. It's time we stop this damn US vs Jamaica problem and see the issues for what they are. Jamaica HAS a drug problem too. While it's not a prominent situation, it is a situation that has occurred, and I don't care if whoever is caught trains in the US or not. The fact of the matter is, it's a Jamaican athlete. And for those who think that drugs can't cross the border or can't be accessible to an athlete if needs be, please take off the rose colored glasses.
I however applaud the JAAA for bringing to light the situation, and await the revelation of these athletes. I also hope that this situation also pushes them to enforce more stringent policies and to encourage them to step up their game in the fight to clean up our sport.
guruof track wrote:"I know a lot of NCAA coaches around the country who are very skeptical of the situation down there in Jamaica," said Al Schmidt, who is now in his 17th season as the head coach for the Mississippi State's men's and women's track teams.
"I guess we were also naive to not fight this as hard as we should have. We put our faith in the JAAA and it appears that they didn't know what they were doing."
guruof track wrote:"I know a lot of NCAA coaches around the country who are very skeptical of the situation down there in Jamaica," said Al Schmidt, who is now in his 17th season as the head coach for the Mississippi State's men's and women's track teams.
"I guess we were also naive to not fight this as hard as we should have. We put our faith in the JAAA and it appears that they didn't know what they were doing."
The situation has not changed since 2004. Its the same exact system. The question is 'Do you have faith in the current system?'
Some people just won't be happy unless Bolt or Asafa test positve.
I agree with this sentiment also nony. This was my feelings on Trackshark when almost everyone said that steve was pushed under the bus to protect asafa and I was like really??? My thing is while that whole incident was sketchy, you wanna tell me that had asafa been using he wouldnt have been caught already by the iaaf, and i don't think i'm naive to think that...as much as I endured on TS as a Jamaican, I know a lot of these TS posters have changed their tune towards especially asafa and bolt, but are secretly hoping they test postive to confirm their suspicions...I know some are just waiting like vultures for these two names to be called, and don't get me started on how they did SAF
