As a fan of track and field not just Jamaica track and field I'm saddened when ever any athlete tests positive for any banned substance. It puts the sport I love in the public eye in a bad light just as it seems it was coming slowly out of the doldrums.
Fortis4Eva wrote:As a fan of track and field not just Jamaica track and field I'm saddened when ever any athlete tests positive for any banned substance. It puts the sport I love in the public eye in a bad light just as it seems it was coming slowly out of the doldrums.
yep. exactly. frustrating.
thing is, I'm a big fan of the Jamaican team. I like Bolt and Asafa, love watching those guys run, though I gotta root for Tyson when the battle.
call me naive, but I am convinced that all 3 of these top stars are clean, clean and clean.
sucks that some other punks gotta mess up everyone else's reputations, just by association (not fair, not logical, but true).
OBUTRACKSTER wrote:I got a bad feelin it coulda been the racers.. I just saw a picture of Yohan practicing.. Dude is swooollllleeee for a 19 year old!
Whether you get a feeling or not, and whether you turn out to be correct or not, you should not be speculating names without evidence. We will find out in due time who it is.
That rule doesn't apply to Jamaicans. There is no privacy...when it comes to the words Doping and Jamaica in the same sentence. They lucky they haven't get some good beating to begin with.
"This is bad for Jamaican track and bad for track and field"
But after giving it some thought, this is actually a good thing. The JAAA has been accused of not properly testing it's athletes. The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I'm still interested to see who the two sprinters are. I sincerly hope it is not young Yohan. I don't think you can call him an A-Lister yet, but he sure has the goods to be on very soon.
onlooker wrote:I think it's time for them to start handing out life ban for first time offenders, it's getting ridiculous.
One love!
I feelin you. Bannish them for life!! or maybe a 50-70yrs Ban. Give them something that...they will not be able to compete again and fans and athletes alike don't have to worry about them ever again.
"This is bad for Jamaican track and bad for track and field"
But after giving it some thought, this is actually a good thing. The JAAA has been accused of not properly testing it's athletes. The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I'm still interested to see who the two sprinters are. I sincerly hope it is not young Yohan. I don't think you can call him an A-Lister yet, but he sure has the goods to be on very soon.
I agree it's a good thing.
Unfortunately, it still gives Carl Lewis greater credibility with the know-nothing/care-even-less members of the mainstream press.
"This is bad for Jamaican track and bad for track and field"
But after giving it some thought, this is actually a good thing. The JAAA has been accused of not properly testing it's athletes. The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I'm still interested to see who the two sprinters are. I sincerly hope it is not young Yohan. I don't think you can call him an A-Lister yet, but he sure has the goods to be on very soon.
Yohan Blake, being the 3 fastest Jamaican male sprinter, is more likely be in Jamaica's list of first tier sprinters. It's not Yohan. I'm leaning to one male in my mind. I'll just see in the next couple days if my hunch is correct.
TrainerPhil wrote:The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I don't make allegations regarding drug use, but just know that you are easily manipulated....
onlooker wrote:If they are from any of the 2 power house clubs, it will implicate the whole entire club
One Love!
Y? If the other members of the club all tested negative and one fool tested positive because he/she is trying to catch up to and stay with his/her training partners, how does this implicate the entire club? These guys still have the capicity to act on their own.
And yes to lifetime bans for first time offenses. If the athletes know there is no second chance, most would not risk being banned.
"This is bad for Jamaican track and bad for track and field"
But after giving it some thought, this is actually a good thing. The JAAA has been accused of not properly testing it's athletes. The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I'm still interested to see who the two sprinters are. I sincerly hope it is not young Yohan. I don't think you can call him an A-Lister yet, but he sure has the goods to be on very soon.
I agree it's a good thing.
Unfortunately, it still gives Carl Lewis greater credibility with the know-nothing/care-even-less members of the mainstream press.
What credibility it gives Lewis? If I recall he said...Jamaica doesn't have a testing system. Jamaica test is perform by IAAF/WADA staffs and goes directly to IAAF/WADA certified LABORATORIES. This further shows his ignorance, to what really takes place in Jamaica.
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TrainerPhil wrote:The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I don't make allegations regarding drug use, but just know that you are easily manipulated....
I can read between the lines. But what you are thinking can be said about all countries. All countries could throw smaller names under the bus to protect their biggest stars. Surely you are suspicious of everyone then 2 cents.
Yes, Trainer Phil, I simply do not know what I do not know, and I do not take things at face value...That is all, it is not an allegation, it is symptomatic of a skeptical and analytical nature...
2 cents wrote:Yes, Trainer Phil, I simply do not know what I do not know, and I do not take things at face value...That is all, it is not an allegation, it is symptomatic of a skeptical and analytical nature...
So you trust no one in track? Carl Lewis? Flo Jo? Jackie JK? Gay? Bolt? You question the validity of all performances? If so, why would you even want to watch track?
TrainerPhil wrote:The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I don't make allegations regarding drug use, but just know that you are easily manipulated....
Unlike USTF/USDA, where test at their trials are done by USDA/USTF. Test at Jamaica's Trial and out of competition are done by WADA/IAAF staffs, and send to WADA/IAAF Laboratories.
"This is bad for Jamaican track and bad for track and field"
But after giving it some thought, this is actually a good thing. The JAAA has been accused of not properly testing it's athletes. The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I'm still interested to see who the two sprinters are. I sincerly hope it is not young Yohan. I don't think you can call him an A-Lister yet, but he sure has the goods to be on very soon.
These arent the first positives test out of JAAA. Julien Dunkley tested positive last year and 'supposedly' Steve Mullings did in 2004, but thats a whole nother issue Tom Borish brought up more than enough evidence around that test that CLEARLY showed someone tampering with the sample ID numbers. WHat I would call a switch-a-roo.
2 cents wrote:Yes, Trainer Phil, I simply do not know what I do not know, and I do not take things at face value...That is all, it is not an allegation, it is symptomatic of a skeptical and analytical nature...
So you trust no one in track? Carl Lewis? Flo Jo? Jackie JK? Gay? Bolt? You question the validity of all performances? If so, why would you even want to watch track?
I don't trust politicians, but I still enjoy the spectacle.....I am simply acknowledging the truth, which is that much of it remains inaccessible.
TrainerPhil wrote:The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I don't make allegations regarding drug use, but just know that you are easily manipulated....
Unlike USTF/USDA, where test at their trials are done by USDA/USTF. Test at Jamaica's Trial and out of competition are done by WADA/IAAF staffs, and send to WADA/IAAF Laboratories.
Well if this is so, it would make it difficult for Jamaican officials to perform a cover up. If an outside, neutral party is doing the testing, the results would be more believable, right 2 cents?
"This is bad for Jamaican track and bad for track and field"
But after giving it some thought, this is actually a good thing. The JAAA has been accused of not properly testing it's athletes. The Jamaican sprinters have been accused by a lot of people (including some of you on this board) of taking PEDs. So the fact that JAAA has caught a couple of it's sprinters means that they are in fact testing. And with these guys caught, it means that the bigger sprinters like Bolt, Asafa, Kerron, SAF etc are being tested and are clean.
I'm still interested to see who the two sprinters are. I sincerly hope it is not young Yohan. I don't think you can call him an A-Lister yet, but he sure has the goods to be on very soon.
These arent the first positives test out of JAAA. Julien Dunkley tested positive last year and 'supposedly' Steve Mullings did in 2004, but thats a whole nother issue Tom Borish brought up more than enough evidence around that test that CLEARLY showed someone tampering with the sample ID numbers. WHat I would call a switch-a-roo.
Switch-a-roo with who? Do you know that WADA/IAAF staffs are the ones that collect Samples for Jamaican athletes at TRIALS????? Please stop your foolishness.
**Any minute now, someone will find a way to blame it on the USA**
**As I sit back and laugh, because most of these same people was on Trackshark that is on here now under different names was claiming that Jamaicans don't use PED's**
Sportfanx, I wont speculate on whose test might have been switched. But the samples were CLEARLY tampered with. There was even a sample missing. Mullings original type out sample cover was handwritten over.
Maybe nothing happened, but when samples are tampered with thats makes the whole ordeal look underhanded.
Furthermore, the JAAA does do testing, but they don't have an independent testing body. I won't even go into the problems tha can arise from this set-up.
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guruof track wrote:Sportfanx, I wont speculate on whose test might have been switched. But the samples were CLEARLY tampered with. There was even a sample missing. Mullings original type out sample cover was handwritten over.
Maybe nothing happened, but when samples are tampered with thats makes the whole ordeal look underhanded.
I guess the people them from WADA/IAAF Tamper with testing. Mullings was a cheat!!! He should've been BAN FOR LIFE!!!
guruof track wrote:Sportfanx, I wont speculate on whose test might have been switched. But the samples were CLEARLY tampered with. There was even a sample missing. Mullings original type out sample cover was handwritten over.
Maybe nothing happened, but when samples are tampered with thats makes the whole ordeal look underhanded.
guruof track wrote:Sportfanx, I wont speculate on whose test might have been switched. But the samples were CLEARLY tampered with. There was even a sample missing. Mullings original type out sample cover was handwritten over.
Maybe nothing happened, but when samples are tampered with thats makes the whole ordeal look underhanded.
I guess the people them from WADA/IAAF Tamper with testing. Mullings was a cheat!!! He should've been BAN FOR LIFE!!!
That test was taking by the JAAA (and tampered with), then sent to the IAAF for them to run test. The ID numbers didnt match at the JAAA level. These are facts, not speculation. Its questionable if that test really belonged to Mullings.
Your on this board spreading misinformation about the JAAA and its testing procedures. The JAAA DOES do testing, hell they test at their OWN trials. BUT there is NO oversight body or committee to keep the process honest. You can't sell me those lemons and tell me they are oranges. I KNOW the facts on this.
The US has an independent drug testing body outside the USATF.
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Go post the facts about CARL LEWIS Positive Drugs test cover up in 1988.
Everyone know (Well the people who know the truth) that WADA/IAAF staffs do drug testing for Jamaica, and the SAMPLES are send to WADA/IAAF Certified Laboratories.
