Two Jamaica athletes tested positive for Banned substances!


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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:01 am

Maybe it is a coincidence, but I don't see Marvin Anderson listed as a participant in the 200m today. He was on the original list and he has been replaced by Jamaican Nickel Ashmeade. Here is the start list:

1 Kim COLLINS SKN 20.20 20.55

2 Jaysuma SAIDY NDURE NOR 19.89 20.67

3 Nickel ASHMEADE JAM

4 Mark JELKS USA 20.28 20.28

5 Marlon DEVONISH GBR 20.19 20.55

6 Tyson GAY USA 19.58 19.58

7 Wallace SPEARMON USA 19.65 19.98

8 Paul HESSION IRL 20.30 20.50
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Postby shearer39 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:51 am

Anderson is hurt, and there is a lot more to this issue than meets the eye. Meeting being convened at the Prime Minister's office to try to make sense of what is happening.
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Postby gh » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:57 am

Suspect that what will happen is that quickly establish that it's not Usain Bolt the government will twist enough arms that the rights of the accused to have confidentiality until the B-stage is done will magically disappear.

For the good of the sport, I guess it has to be done, but a pox on whomever prematurely leaked the story in the first place.
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Postby Gordon18 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:58 am

shearer39 wrote:Anderson is hurt, and there is a lot more to this issue than meets the eye. Meeting being convened at the Prime Minister's office to try to make sense of what is happening.


they trying to say that someone set these athletes up?
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:02 am

Could this actually be only a rumor? Why not just throw the biggest names under the bus is one wanted to start a rumor?!
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Postby guruof track » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:07 am

Now the prime minister is involved? :?
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Postby kamikaze7 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:10 am

This is classic Radio Trottoir
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:11 am

guruof track wrote:Now the prime minister is involved? :?


Well, Bolt's picture is EVERWHERE in Jamaica. In the airports, at hotels, at the all he tourist attractions. You can buy a t-shirt with his likeness on the front everywhere. Jamaica has invested so much in it's sprinters after Beijing, especially Bolt. I'm sure the Prime Minister just wants to make sure that his Island isn't about lose on their investments.
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:15 am

Stephen wrote:
Jon wrote:Whoever it turns out to be, the guilt-by-association is going to have a big effect on the leading sprinters. If it's Blake and/or Anderson, they train with Bolt. If it's Carter and/or Carter, they train with Powell. And if it's Mullings, he trains with Gay (I think... or at least that's what a TV commentator said recently).


I agree. I don't think that's a bad thing though as it often turns out to be correct!


That's a bit irresponsible. So, if a baseball player tests positive for a banned substance, example Manny Ramirez, you automatically assume all of his teammates are taking stuff as well (Dodgers)? You are riding in a car with your friend and you get pulled over. As your friend steps out of the car a bag of weed falls to the pavement. Your friend is under arrest. So using your own theory, you are guilty by association. Because your friend does drugs, you must do drugs too?

You absolutely cannot connect one with the other. That is how the reputation of some of the best, and cleanest, athletes get tarnished.
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Postby shearer39 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:23 am

Gordon18 wrote:
shearer39 wrote:Anderson is hurt, and there is a lot more to this issue than meets the eye. Meeting being convened at the Prime Minister's office to try to make sense of what is happening.


they trying to say that someone set these athletes up?


I dont think that is the issue. Unfortunately, I am unable to say more. But there are some things that dont add up.

And no, Bolt and Asafa are not among the athletes nor is VCB.
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Postby 3a » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:25 am

TrainerPhil wrote:
That's a bit irresponsible. So, if a baseball player tests positive for a banned substance, example Manny Ramirez, you automatically assume all of his teammates are taking stuff as well (Dodgers)? d.
Awful parallel. :roll:
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Postby Tammy_Baby » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:36 am

I am now hearing from my aunt back home that radio station Fame FM has reported that it's 3 athletes 2 sprinters and a sprint hurdler, and that it's a high profile athlete, not clear if such athlete is the sprinter or hurdler :?
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Postby Fortis4Eva » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:44 am

So many different reports I'm betting most are just rumors ............ I will just wait untill the official report comes out
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Postby guruof track » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:44 am

Tammy_Baby wrote:I am now hearing from my aunt back home that radio station Fame FM has reported that it's 3 athletes 2 sprinters and a sprint hurdler, and that it's a high profile athlete, not clear if such athlete is the sprinter or hurdler :?


Jamaica has high profile hurdlers??? McFarland maybe.............
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Postby jjimbojames » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:46 am

guruof track wrote:
Tammy_Baby wrote:I am now hearing from my aunt back home that radio station Fame FM has reported that it's 3 athletes 2 sprinters and a sprint hurdler, and that it's a high profile athlete, not clear if such athlete is the sprinter or hurdler :?


Jamaica has high profile hurdlers??? McFarland maybe.............

Has several female sprint hurdlers
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Postby pachip » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:48 am

guruof track wrote:
Tammy_Baby wrote:I am now hearing from my aunt back home that radio station Fame FM has reported that it's 3 athletes 2 sprinters and a sprint hurdler, and that it's a high profile athlete, not clear if such athlete is the sprinter or hurdler :?


Jamaica has high profile hurdlers??? McFarland maybe.............
Dwight Thomas maybe? not as hurdler...but...
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Postby Gordon18 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:51 am

what the site for the carrabiean track and field forum some guys go on, they probably know who the athletes are by now
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Postby Speedfirst » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:51 am

track_expert wrote:Do you guys think by testing athletes, it is the sure way to catch them? What about unknown and undetectable drugs? Very naive to assume everyon who tests negative is also 100% clean.


This applies to each and every athlete, bar none. Why are the athletes tested, because they're known to be clean, why test if you know they're clean. Point is, we don't know.

One of the things that get's me, is when anyone attempts to defend a country and/or athlete, like they KNOW for certain what goes on, you gotta be with someone 24/7 every second of the day.
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Postby guruof track » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:53 am

I'm sure whom ever the woman is she has braces. :lol:
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Postby Speedfirst » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:59 am

nony wrote:
guruof track wrote:"I know a lot of NCAA coaches around the country who are very skeptical of the situation down there in Jamaica," said Al Schmidt, who is now in his 17th season as the head coach for the Mississippi State's men's and women's track teams.

"I guess we were also naive to not fight this as hard as we should have. We put our faith in the JAAA and it appears that they didn't know what they were doing."

http://www.trackshark.com/articles/2005/14.php

The situation has not changed since 2004. Its the same exact system. The question is 'Do you have faith in the current system?'


Some people just won't be happy unless Bolt or Asafa test positve. :roll:


Are you telling me you can vouche for them or any other athlete? No one is wishing the 2 biggest stars of Jamaica's team is a cheat, but if you can say you are with them 24/7, every second of the day, then you can vouche for them.
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Postby Gordon18 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:01 am

Speedfirst wrote:
track_expert wrote:Do you guys think by testing athletes, it is the sure way to catch them? What about unknown and undetectable drugs? Very naive to assume everyon who tests negative is also 100% clean.


This applies to each and every athlete, bar none. Why are the athletes tested, because they're known to be clean, why test if you know they're clean. Point is, we don't know.

One of the things that get's me, is when anyone attempts to defend a country and/or athlete, like they KNOW for certain what goes on, you gotta be with someone 24/7 every second of the day.


LOL i see what you mean. It's more wishfull thinking than knowing. Personally after watching a reading about the whole balco scandal i suspect almost everyone, that way i wont be disappointed or make a fool out of my self or anything. TBH i would be more pissed if certain people actually get caught, rather than the fact they use drugs, lol people gonna think i'm some wasteman now lol
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Postby track_expert » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:09 am

Speedfirst wrote:
track_expert wrote:Do you guys think by testing athletes, it is the sure way to catch them? What about unknown and undetectable drugs? Very naive to assume everyon who tests negative is also 100% clean.


This applies to each and every athlete, bar none. Why are the athletes tested, because they're known to be clean, why test if you know they're clean. Point is, we don't know.

One of the things that get's me, is when anyone attempts to defend a country and/or athlete, like they KNOW for certain what goes on, you gotta be with someone 24/7 every second of the day.


There's no point in defending or accusing, but for example on topic with anabolic steroids. It doesnt take a genius to notice someone suddenly gets massive and strong/ripped very quickly and runs PBs.
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:16 am

I guess many of us would like to believe that MOST of the top track and field athletes do what they do clean. If they were all dirty, then what's the point of even watching anymore?
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Postby Jon » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:17 am

Latest reports popping up on google news suggest it could be as many as seven athletes now...
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Postby Speedfirst » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:17 am

track_expert wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
track_expert wrote:Do you guys think by testing athletes, it is the sure way to catch them? What about unknown and undetectable drugs? Very naive to assume everyon who tests negative is also 100% clean.


This applies to each and every athlete, bar none. Why are the athletes tested, because they're known to be clean, why test if you know they're clean. Point is, we don't know.

One of the things that get's me, is when anyone attempts to defend a country and/or athlete, like they KNOW for certain what goes on, you gotta be with someone 24/7 every second of the day.


There's no point in defending or accusing, but for example on topic with anabolic steroids. It doesnt take a genius to notice someone suddenly gets massive and strong/ripped very quickly and runs PBs.


Come on now, let's not reduce this to anabolic steriods, or someone suddenly getting massive. My point remains, each and every athlete should be held under the same scrutiny.
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Postby chriswitt » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:20 am

guruof track wrote:I'm sure whom ever the woman is she has braces. :lol:

No , and she doesnt trainning in Jamaica
but iam hearing it is a stimulant
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Postby track_expert » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:25 am

TrainerPhil wrote:I guess many of us would like to believe that MOST of the top track and field athletes do what they do clean. If they were all dirty, then what's the point of even watching anymore?


Its not as if they are getting robot legs, its drugs/PEDs and there are many things that can be classified as a PED that arent banned.
I watch to see for same reason as everyone, if they're dirty, doesnt matter to me one bit, just means faster times in the end. The one thng that matters to me is getting caught, as long as they're not caught, its 100% fine to me whatever they choose to do.
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:26 am

Like many of you trying to find out what is going on, I placed several phone calls this morning. I just got word from someone who works for the JAAA that they are still currently unaware of any positive tests. That doesn't mean they don't exist. But protocol would have been for the JAAA to be notified so they would inturn notify the athletes. As of 11:15 est (10:15 jamaican time) the JAAA is unaware of any positive tests.

Now, all this could mean is that the info got leaked before the JAAA could be properly notified.But before we draw any conclusions, I guess it's wise that we wait for an official report. As it stands now, these reports are 100% speculation.
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Postby toyracer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:29 am

According to the Observer story, two people on this list tested positive:

1 Bolt, Usain 22 Racers Track Club 9.86 -0.2
2 Powell, Asafa 26 Mvp Track Club 9.97 -0.2
3 Frater, Micheal 26 Mvp Track Club 10.02 -0.2
4 Anderson, Marvin 27 Racers Track Club 10.07 -0.2
5 Mullings, Steve 26 Unattached 10.08 -0.2
6 Blake, Yohan 19 Racers Track Club 10.09 -0.2

According to the Observer story, one person on this list tested positive:

1 Fraser, Shelly-Ann 22 Mvp Track Club 10.88 -1.5
2 Stewart, Kerron 25 Unattached 10.93 -1.5
3 Brooks, Sheri-Ann 26 Unattached 11.16 -1.5
4 Facey, Simone 24 Unattached 11.23 -1.5
5 Bailey, Aleen 28 Unattached 11.30 -1.5
6 Henry, Samantha 20 Louisiana State 11.36 -1.5

According to the Observer story, two people on this list tested positive:

1 Chambers, Ricardo 24 Racers Track Club 45.55
2 Fothergill, Allodin Unattached 45.57
3 Spence, Lansford 26 Auburn University 45.78
4 Hyatt, Dane 25 Lincoln University 45.97
5 Green, Leford 22 Johnson Smith UN 46.19
6 Gonzales, Jermaine 24 Racers Track Club 46.22

This is a sad, sad day for Jamaica. Whoever the five athletes are they have not only disgraced themselves, they have brought disgrace to the entire nation. It is a sad statistic that more than 10% of the named team tested positive for something.

This story on trackalerts does give some hope though: http://www.trackalerts.com/?p=2117 "TrackAlerts.com also understands that most of the findings are not serious and will only warrant a public warning." Same article says it could be as much as seven positives.

Whoever they are, the Jamaican people at large are not going to be very understanding about this. I wait to see the names, and the substances before making further comment.
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Postby track_expert » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:30 am

toyracer wrote:According to the Observer story, two people on this list tested positive:

1 Bolt, Usain 22 Racers Track Club 9.86 -0.2
2 Powell, Asafa 26 Mvp Track Club 9.97 -0.2
3 Frater, Micheal 26 Mvp Track Club 10.02 -0.2
4 Anderson, Marvin 27 Racers Track Club 10.07 -0.2
5 Mullings, Steve 26 Unattached 10.08 -0.2
6 Blake, Yohan 19 Racers Track Club 10.09 -0.2

According to the Observer story, one person on this list tested positive:

1 Fraser, Shelly-Ann 22 Mvp Track Club 10.88 -1.5
2 Stewart, Kerron 25 Unattached 10.93 -1.5
3 Brooks, Sheri-Ann 26 Unattached 11.16 -1.5
4 Facey, Simone 24 Unattached 11.23 -1.5
5 Bailey, Aleen 28 Unattached 11.30 -1.5
6 Henry, Samantha 20 Louisiana State 11.36 -1.5

According to the Observer story, two people on this list tested positive:

1 Chambers, Ricardo 24 Racers Track Club 45.55
2 Fothergill, Allodin Unattached 45.57
3 Spence, Lansford 26 Auburn University 45.78
4 Hyatt, Dane 25 Lincoln University 45.97
5 Green, Leford 22 Johnson Smith UN 46.19
6 Gonzales, Jermaine 24 Racers Track Club 46.22

This is a sad, sad day for Jamaica. Whoever the five athletes are they have not only disgraced themselves, they have brought disgrace to the entire nation. It is a sad statistic that more than 10% of the named team tested positive for something.

This story on trackalerts does give some hope though: http://www.trackalerts.com/?p=2117 "TrackAlerts.com also understands that most of the findings are not serious and will only warrant a public warning." Same article says it could be as much as seven positives.

Whoever they are, the Jamaican people at large are not going to be very understanding about this. I wait to see the names, and the substances before making further comment.


Its only a sad day because they were caught, simple as that. Whoever or whatever this really is.
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:33 am

toyracer wrote:
Whoever they are, the Jamaican people at large are not going to be very understanding about this. I wait to see the names, and the substances before making further comment.


I was speaking to my Dad who lives in Jamaica about it and he said that people are upset about the initial reports. He went on to say that people are ready to jump on anybody who tested positive. Sounds like there will be little forgiveness for those who got caught.
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Postby Speedfirst » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:34 am

As long as there is a willing mind to use PED's, there will be a way/s. This applies to the individual and is not a slight on any particular country.

Cheating is simply a part of sports, life, a pathetic part, but a part, none the less.
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Postby marknhj » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:36 am

track_expert wrote:Its only a sad day because they were caught, simple as that


Your preference would be for those who dope to get away with it and not be caught? Apologies if I misinterpreted your post...
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Postby gh » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:36 am

to repeat... there is no statement anywhere, even in the "official leakage" that PEDs are involved. Doesn't mean there aren't, but the usage of "banned substances" would seem to be pointing elsewhere.

Has there been a spike in sales in the spliff market lately?
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Postby track_expert » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:39 am

marknhj wrote:
track_expert wrote:Its only a sad day because they were caught, simple as that


Your preference would be for those who dope to get away with it and not be caught? Apologies if I misinterpreted your post...


Sorry to break the reality to you but if everyone who used SOME form of PED was caught (goes further than whats on the banned list), you wouldnt have NEARLY as many top sprinters with the times that you see now.
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Postby shearer39 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:40 am

TrainerPhil wrote:Like many of you trying to find out what is going on, I placed several phone calls this morning. I just got word from someone who works for the JAAA that they are still currently unaware of any positive tests. That doesn't mean they don't exist. But protocol would have been for the JAAA to be notified so they would inturn notify the athletes. As of 11:15 est (10:15 jamaican time) the JAAA is unaware of any positive tests.

Now, all this could mean is that the info got leaked before the JAAA could be properly notified.But before we draw any conclusions, I guess it's wise that we wait for an official report. As it stands now, these reports are 100% speculation.



This is solid info. Five athletes are being flown back to Jamaica as fast as possible to face a hearing. After this a statement will be released with regards to their situation. The situation is the athletes were taking a product that was approved for consumption (by whom it is not clear). Also none of them failed tests in Europe where they have been participating in competition since July.
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Postby Speedfirst » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:41 am

A banned substance could technically be a PED, as we know there are both legal and illegal performance enhancers.

If a said banned substance enhanced your peformance, than of course it's a performane enhancer, only question then is, what is the substance.
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Postby track_expert » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:42 am

Speedfirst wrote:As long as there is a willing mind to use PED's, there will be a way/s. This applies to the individual and is not a slight on any particular country.

Cheating is simply a part of sports, life, a pathetic part, but a part, none the less.


Hey if everyone in the class has a answer sheet to a test would you choose to do it fairly and not cheat? Doing so only leaves you behind everyone else.
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Postby track_expert » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:44 am

Speedfirst wrote:A banned substance could technically be a PED, as we know there are both legal and illegal performance enhancers.

If a said banned substance enhanced your peformance, than of course it's a performane enhancer, only question then is, what is the substance.


Ya thats the interesting part.
Im NOT making any accusations here, just stating that if anyone like usain, tyson, asafa or other not-so-big guys tested positive for a anabolic steroid, i'd be shocked outa my mind. For obvious reasons, if you ever watch a clip of these guys in the weight room :lol:
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Postby Jerome Marrow » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:45 am

TrainerPhil wrote:Like many of you trying to find out what is going on, I placed several phone calls this morning. I just got word from someone who works for the JAAA that they are still currently unaware of any positive tests. That doesn't mean they don't exist. But protocol would have been for the JAAA to be notified so they would inturn notify the athletes. As of 11:15 est (10:15 jamaican time) the JAAA is unaware of any positive tests.

Now, all this could mean is that the info got leaked before the JAAA could be properly notified.But before we draw any conclusions, I guess it's wise that we wait for an official report. As it stands now, these reports are 100% speculation.


Or they are just not informing the public of everything damn thing that goes on, especially when things may not be clear yet.
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