Two Jamaica athletes tested positive for Banned substances!


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Postby Infama » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:38 am

Jon wrote:
Infama wrote:None of the big names are implicated.
But like I said above, whichever athletes it is, it's going to be bad news for the sport. I can see the headlines now:

"Bolt's/Powell's/Gay's* training partners test positive"

*delete as appropriate


Agreed

My response was to the premature rejoicers. They know who they are!
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Postby Mikewats » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:49 am

I'm guessing Mullings is one of them.
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Postby Gordon18 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:54 am

anyone have any guesses who it is, you can pm me if you want, im think mullings and anderson
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Postby 3a » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:03 am

Stephen wrote:
Jon wrote:Whoever it turns out to be, the guilt-by-association is going to have a big effect on the leading sprinters. If it's Blake and/or Anderson, they train with Bolt. If it's Carter and/or Carter, they train with Powell. And if it's Mullings, he trains with Gay (I think... or at least that's what a TV commentator said recently).


I agree. I don't think that's a bad thing though as it often turns out to be correct!
Half this board will be banned for posting speculative posts. Totally agree though. I think it would be worse if it was MVP as they seem to live in each others pockets.

Having said that, Gatlin was banned and Shawn Crawford maintained a glossy image. Indeed, he's the perfect fair sport by all reports lately.
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Postby 3a » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:06 am

Mikewats wrote:I'm guessing Mullings is one of them.
If so, he's banned for life. We'll know tomorrow as he's due to start in Madrid.
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:29 am

Well, according to the Jamaica Observa, 2 men who finished in the top 6 at the trials in the 100m are among the ones who tested positive. So, here are the candidates:

Top 6 men 100m

Bolt
Powell
Frater
Anderson
Mullings
Blake

The article, which appears on the news section of T&FN front page, says that it is not a top tier runner. But what do they mean top tier? Two of these 6 have tested positive for something. Oh boy, this is going to get dicey.
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:36 am

Would they pull these athletes from upcoming meets based on these positive results or do they have to wait for sample B to be tested? Can these athletes appeal and continue to participate while the appeals are being heard?

What I'm getting at is could we see Jamaican athletes, who were supposed participate today, be pulled from their scheduled races? If yes, then we will know today which athletes are safe..........
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Postby dakota » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:39 am

Any word when they're going to announce this?
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Postby Infama » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:40 am

TrainerPhil wrote:Well, according to the Jamaica Observa, 2 men who finished in the top 6 at the trials in the 100m are among the ones who tested positive. So, here are the candidates:

Top 6 men 100m

Bolt
Powell
Frater
Anderson
Mullings
Blake

The article, which appears on the news section of T&FN front page, says that it is not a top tier runner. But what do they mean top tier? Two of these 6 have tested positive for something. Oh boy, this is going to get dicey.


Top tier is clearly top 3! All former global medallists.
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Postby Kevin Richardson » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:00 am

[quote="Infama"][

Hahahaha

Yuh aggo tiad fi si wi face

Cant get we outta da race.

Its just a big disgrace
But yuh draw bad card
Yuh mek wrong move

Wow. You just cited one of my favorite Tuff Gong tunes! Thanks for picking me up today. 8-)
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:01 am

Maybe it is a coincidence, but I don't see Marvin Anderson listed as a participant in the 200m today. He was on the original list and he has been replaced by Jamaican Nickel Ashmeade. Here is the start list:

1 Kim COLLINS SKN 20.20 20.55

2 Jaysuma SAIDY NDURE NOR 19.89 20.67

3 Nickel ASHMEADE JAM

4 Mark JELKS USA 20.28 20.28

5 Marlon DEVONISH GBR 20.19 20.55

6 Tyson GAY USA 19.58 19.58

7 Wallace SPEARMON USA 19.65 19.98

8 Paul HESSION IRL 20.30 20.50
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Postby shearer39 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:51 am

Anderson is hurt, and there is a lot more to this issue than meets the eye. Meeting being convened at the Prime Minister's office to try to make sense of what is happening.
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Postby gh » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:57 am

Suspect that what will happen is that quickly establish that it's not Usain Bolt the government will twist enough arms that the rights of the accused to have confidentiality until the B-stage is done will magically disappear.

For the good of the sport, I guess it has to be done, but a pox on whomever prematurely leaked the story in the first place.
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Postby Gordon18 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:58 am

shearer39 wrote:Anderson is hurt, and there is a lot more to this issue than meets the eye. Meeting being convened at the Prime Minister's office to try to make sense of what is happening.


they trying to say that someone set these athletes up?
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:02 am

Could this actually be only a rumor? Why not just throw the biggest names under the bus is one wanted to start a rumor?!
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Postby guruof track » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:07 am

Now the prime minister is involved? :?
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Postby kamikaze7 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:10 am

This is classic Radio Trottoir
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:11 am

guruof track wrote:Now the prime minister is involved? :?


Well, Bolt's picture is EVERWHERE in Jamaica. In the airports, at hotels, at the all he tourist attractions. You can buy a t-shirt with his likeness on the front everywhere. Jamaica has invested so much in it's sprinters after Beijing, especially Bolt. I'm sure the Prime Minister just wants to make sure that his Island isn't about lose on their investments.
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:15 am

Stephen wrote:
Jon wrote:Whoever it turns out to be, the guilt-by-association is going to have a big effect on the leading sprinters. If it's Blake and/or Anderson, they train with Bolt. If it's Carter and/or Carter, they train with Powell. And if it's Mullings, he trains with Gay (I think... or at least that's what a TV commentator said recently).


I agree. I don't think that's a bad thing though as it often turns out to be correct!


That's a bit irresponsible. So, if a baseball player tests positive for a banned substance, example Manny Ramirez, you automatically assume all of his teammates are taking stuff as well (Dodgers)? You are riding in a car with your friend and you get pulled over. As your friend steps out of the car a bag of weed falls to the pavement. Your friend is under arrest. So using your own theory, you are guilty by association. Because your friend does drugs, you must do drugs too?

You absolutely cannot connect one with the other. That is how the reputation of some of the best, and cleanest, athletes get tarnished.
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Postby shearer39 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:23 am

Gordon18 wrote:
shearer39 wrote:Anderson is hurt, and there is a lot more to this issue than meets the eye. Meeting being convened at the Prime Minister's office to try to make sense of what is happening.


they trying to say that someone set these athletes up?


I dont think that is the issue. Unfortunately, I am unable to say more. But there are some things that dont add up.

And no, Bolt and Asafa are not among the athletes nor is VCB.
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Postby 3a » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:25 am

TrainerPhil wrote:
That's a bit irresponsible. So, if a baseball player tests positive for a banned substance, example Manny Ramirez, you automatically assume all of his teammates are taking stuff as well (Dodgers)? d.
Awful parallel. :roll:
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Postby Tammy_Baby » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:36 am

I am now hearing from my aunt back home that radio station Fame FM has reported that it's 3 athletes 2 sprinters and a sprint hurdler, and that it's a high profile athlete, not clear if such athlete is the sprinter or hurdler :?
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Postby Fortis4Eva » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:44 am

So many different reports I'm betting most are just rumors ............ I will just wait untill the official report comes out
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Postby guruof track » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:44 am

Tammy_Baby wrote:I am now hearing from my aunt back home that radio station Fame FM has reported that it's 3 athletes 2 sprinters and a sprint hurdler, and that it's a high profile athlete, not clear if such athlete is the sprinter or hurdler :?


Jamaica has high profile hurdlers??? McFarland maybe.............
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Postby jjimbojames » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:46 am

guruof track wrote:
Tammy_Baby wrote:I am now hearing from my aunt back home that radio station Fame FM has reported that it's 3 athletes 2 sprinters and a sprint hurdler, and that it's a high profile athlete, not clear if such athlete is the sprinter or hurdler :?


Jamaica has high profile hurdlers??? McFarland maybe.............

Has several female sprint hurdlers
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Postby pachip » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:48 am

guruof track wrote:
Tammy_Baby wrote:I am now hearing from my aunt back home that radio station Fame FM has reported that it's 3 athletes 2 sprinters and a sprint hurdler, and that it's a high profile athlete, not clear if such athlete is the sprinter or hurdler :?


Jamaica has high profile hurdlers??? McFarland maybe.............
Dwight Thomas maybe? not as hurdler...but...
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Postby Gordon18 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:51 am

what the site for the carrabiean track and field forum some guys go on, they probably know who the athletes are by now
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Postby Speedfirst » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:51 am

track_expert wrote:Do you guys think by testing athletes, it is the sure way to catch them? What about unknown and undetectable drugs? Very naive to assume everyon who tests negative is also 100% clean.


This applies to each and every athlete, bar none. Why are the athletes tested, because they're known to be clean, why test if you know they're clean. Point is, we don't know.

One of the things that get's me, is when anyone attempts to defend a country and/or athlete, like they KNOW for certain what goes on, you gotta be with someone 24/7 every second of the day.
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Postby guruof track » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:53 am

I'm sure whom ever the woman is she has braces. :lol:
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Postby Speedfirst » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:59 am

nony wrote:
guruof track wrote:"I know a lot of NCAA coaches around the country who are very skeptical of the situation down there in Jamaica," said Al Schmidt, who is now in his 17th season as the head coach for the Mississippi State's men's and women's track teams.

"I guess we were also naive to not fight this as hard as we should have. We put our faith in the JAAA and it appears that they didn't know what they were doing."

http://www.trackshark.com/articles/2005/14.php

The situation has not changed since 2004. Its the same exact system. The question is 'Do you have faith in the current system?'


Some people just won't be happy unless Bolt or Asafa test positve. :roll:


Are you telling me you can vouche for them or any other athlete? No one is wishing the 2 biggest stars of Jamaica's team is a cheat, but if you can say you are with them 24/7, every second of the day, then you can vouche for them.
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Postby Gordon18 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:01 am

Speedfirst wrote:
track_expert wrote:Do you guys think by testing athletes, it is the sure way to catch them? What about unknown and undetectable drugs? Very naive to assume everyon who tests negative is also 100% clean.


This applies to each and every athlete, bar none. Why are the athletes tested, because they're known to be clean, why test if you know they're clean. Point is, we don't know.

One of the things that get's me, is when anyone attempts to defend a country and/or athlete, like they KNOW for certain what goes on, you gotta be with someone 24/7 every second of the day.


LOL i see what you mean. It's more wishfull thinking than knowing. Personally after watching a reading about the whole balco scandal i suspect almost everyone, that way i wont be disappointed or make a fool out of my self or anything. TBH i would be more pissed if certain people actually get caught, rather than the fact they use drugs, lol people gonna think i'm some wasteman now lol
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Postby track_expert » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:09 am

Speedfirst wrote:
track_expert wrote:Do you guys think by testing athletes, it is the sure way to catch them? What about unknown and undetectable drugs? Very naive to assume everyon who tests negative is also 100% clean.


This applies to each and every athlete, bar none. Why are the athletes tested, because they're known to be clean, why test if you know they're clean. Point is, we don't know.

One of the things that get's me, is when anyone attempts to defend a country and/or athlete, like they KNOW for certain what goes on, you gotta be with someone 24/7 every second of the day.


There's no point in defending or accusing, but for example on topic with anabolic steroids. It doesnt take a genius to notice someone suddenly gets massive and strong/ripped very quickly and runs PBs.
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:16 am

I guess many of us would like to believe that MOST of the top track and field athletes do what they do clean. If they were all dirty, then what's the point of even watching anymore?
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Postby Jon » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:17 am

Latest reports popping up on google news suggest it could be as many as seven athletes now...
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Postby Speedfirst » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:17 am

track_expert wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:
track_expert wrote:Do you guys think by testing athletes, it is the sure way to catch them? What about unknown and undetectable drugs? Very naive to assume everyon who tests negative is also 100% clean.


This applies to each and every athlete, bar none. Why are the athletes tested, because they're known to be clean, why test if you know they're clean. Point is, we don't know.

One of the things that get's me, is when anyone attempts to defend a country and/or athlete, like they KNOW for certain what goes on, you gotta be with someone 24/7 every second of the day.


There's no point in defending or accusing, but for example on topic with anabolic steroids. It doesnt take a genius to notice someone suddenly gets massive and strong/ripped very quickly and runs PBs.


Come on now, let's not reduce this to anabolic steriods, or someone suddenly getting massive. My point remains, each and every athlete should be held under the same scrutiny.
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Postby chriswitt » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:20 am

guruof track wrote:I'm sure whom ever the woman is she has braces. :lol:

No , and she doesnt trainning in Jamaica
but iam hearing it is a stimulant
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Postby track_expert » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:25 am

TrainerPhil wrote:I guess many of us would like to believe that MOST of the top track and field athletes do what they do clean. If they were all dirty, then what's the point of even watching anymore?


Its not as if they are getting robot legs, its drugs/PEDs and there are many things that can be classified as a PED that arent banned.
I watch to see for same reason as everyone, if they're dirty, doesnt matter to me one bit, just means faster times in the end. The one thng that matters to me is getting caught, as long as they're not caught, its 100% fine to me whatever they choose to do.
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Postby TrainerPhil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:26 am

Like many of you trying to find out what is going on, I placed several phone calls this morning. I just got word from someone who works for the JAAA that they are still currently unaware of any positive tests. That doesn't mean they don't exist. But protocol would have been for the JAAA to be notified so they would inturn notify the athletes. As of 11:15 est (10:15 jamaican time) the JAAA is unaware of any positive tests.

Now, all this could mean is that the info got leaked before the JAAA could be properly notified.But before we draw any conclusions, I guess it's wise that we wait for an official report. As it stands now, these reports are 100% speculation.
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Postby toyracer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:29 am

According to the Observer story, two people on this list tested positive:

1 Bolt, Usain 22 Racers Track Club 9.86 -0.2
2 Powell, Asafa 26 Mvp Track Club 9.97 -0.2
3 Frater, Micheal 26 Mvp Track Club 10.02 -0.2
4 Anderson, Marvin 27 Racers Track Club 10.07 -0.2
5 Mullings, Steve 26 Unattached 10.08 -0.2
6 Blake, Yohan 19 Racers Track Club 10.09 -0.2

According to the Observer story, one person on this list tested positive:

1 Fraser, Shelly-Ann 22 Mvp Track Club 10.88 -1.5
2 Stewart, Kerron 25 Unattached 10.93 -1.5
3 Brooks, Sheri-Ann 26 Unattached 11.16 -1.5
4 Facey, Simone 24 Unattached 11.23 -1.5
5 Bailey, Aleen 28 Unattached 11.30 -1.5
6 Henry, Samantha 20 Louisiana State 11.36 -1.5

According to the Observer story, two people on this list tested positive:

1 Chambers, Ricardo 24 Racers Track Club 45.55
2 Fothergill, Allodin Unattached 45.57
3 Spence, Lansford 26 Auburn University 45.78
4 Hyatt, Dane 25 Lincoln University 45.97
5 Green, Leford 22 Johnson Smith UN 46.19
6 Gonzales, Jermaine 24 Racers Track Club 46.22

This is a sad, sad day for Jamaica. Whoever the five athletes are they have not only disgraced themselves, they have brought disgrace to the entire nation. It is a sad statistic that more than 10% of the named team tested positive for something.

This story on trackalerts does give some hope though: http://www.trackalerts.com/?p=2117 "TrackAlerts.com also understands that most of the findings are not serious and will only warrant a public warning." Same article says it could be as much as seven positives.

Whoever they are, the Jamaican people at large are not going to be very understanding about this. I wait to see the names, and the substances before making further comment.
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Postby track_expert » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:30 am

toyracer wrote:According to the Observer story, two people on this list tested positive:

1 Bolt, Usain 22 Racers Track Club 9.86 -0.2
2 Powell, Asafa 26 Mvp Track Club 9.97 -0.2
3 Frater, Micheal 26 Mvp Track Club 10.02 -0.2
4 Anderson, Marvin 27 Racers Track Club 10.07 -0.2
5 Mullings, Steve 26 Unattached 10.08 -0.2
6 Blake, Yohan 19 Racers Track Club 10.09 -0.2

According to the Observer story, one person on this list tested positive:

1 Fraser, Shelly-Ann 22 Mvp Track Club 10.88 -1.5
2 Stewart, Kerron 25 Unattached 10.93 -1.5
3 Brooks, Sheri-Ann 26 Unattached 11.16 -1.5
4 Facey, Simone 24 Unattached 11.23 -1.5
5 Bailey, Aleen 28 Unattached 11.30 -1.5
6 Henry, Samantha 20 Louisiana State 11.36 -1.5

According to the Observer story, two people on this list tested positive:

1 Chambers, Ricardo 24 Racers Track Club 45.55
2 Fothergill, Allodin Unattached 45.57
3 Spence, Lansford 26 Auburn University 45.78
4 Hyatt, Dane 25 Lincoln University 45.97
5 Green, Leford 22 Johnson Smith UN 46.19
6 Gonzales, Jermaine 24 Racers Track Club 46.22

This is a sad, sad day for Jamaica. Whoever the five athletes are they have not only disgraced themselves, they have brought disgrace to the entire nation. It is a sad statistic that more than 10% of the named team tested positive for something.

This story on trackalerts does give some hope though: http://www.trackalerts.com/?p=2117 "TrackAlerts.com also understands that most of the findings are not serious and will only warrant a public warning." Same article says it could be as much as seven positives.

Whoever they are, the Jamaican people at large are not going to be very understanding about this. I wait to see the names, and the substances before making further comment.


Its only a sad day because they were caught, simple as that. Whoever or whatever this really is.
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