Fireworks at HSI?


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Postby Speedbuff » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:08 pm

Start with a little chat with "Nawaf." I'll bet he tell you who wrote the letter. If he's not talking, then checkout "Onacrest Drive." You may want to visit "West Angeles Church," too. You could just visit ESPN's favorite track and field website instead.
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Postby Speedbuff » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:29 pm

One of the other star sprinters in Greene’s Los Angeles based group at the time was Trinidad’s Ato Boldon. Not only were the two athletes training partners but the media also portrayed them for years as close friends.

But that relationship appears to have ended, Hollywood style.

Reached this morning, I asked Boldon about the news reports and rampant speculation on the Internet, to which he replied that unfortunately track & field and gossip go hand in hand. But he did offer a statement, one that reveals the existence of a great schism between the former training partners.

“One thing is clear, that the evidence and the facts will show someone to be a fraud and someone will be vindicated. I will make no further comment regarding this case until such time,” said Boldon

http://www.hellenicathletes.com/news.php?news_id=422

Hmmm. Sounds like someone is quite mad and has been told by counsel to limit his comments. Ya think? Wonder who Ato thinks the "fraud" is?
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Postby SQUACKEE » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:50 am

Its not Ato Boldon. Its Micheal Boldon and it was sent as a text message from a knoll thats very, very grassy in a Texas city of note.
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Postby tandfman » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:12 am

gh wrote:
Speedbuff wrote:stallion,

Would you care to speculate who wrote the letter if it is not 9.86x4 and 19.77?

If the "letter" included the phrase "four score and...." would we assume it was actually written by Mr. Lincoln?

Merv? Daniel? :)
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Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:41 am

Speedbuff, you must understand that jackals won't settle for plants once they're had a taste of meat. Last month Allen Johnson came on this board and fed us some raw meat. There's nothing tastier than a direct hit job from an Olympic and World Champion. Perhaps you're not in the position to feed us filet mignon, if you're not a first-hand witness, but can't you at least give us some ground beef. These soybean burgers (third and fourth-hand information) just won't do.
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Postby RAP » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:21 am

rasb wrote:Mustard in the Conservatory with a Wrench?

What the grassantafranz does that mean?
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Postby Flumpy » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:31 am

jazzcyclist wrote:Last month Allen Johnson came on this board and fed us some raw meat..


Did he??? About what?
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Postby tandfman » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:37 am

RAP wrote:
rasb wrote:Mustard in the Conservatory with a Wrench?

What the grassantafranz does that mean?

http://www.boardgames.com/clue.html
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Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:44 am

Flumpy wrote:
jazzcyclist wrote:Last month Allen Johnson came on this board and fed us some raw meat..


Did he??? About what?

Look at the five posts by "sub13".
http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discuss ... sc&start=0
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Postby EPelle » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:42 am

gh wrote:If this is indeed written by AB, we're supposed to believe that he trained w/ HSI for a decade and only just now is tumbling to the fact that (alleged) drug abuse was in place? That doesn't ring quite true.

Anybody else remember that AB signed a non-disclosure agreement w/ Victor Conte? At least the SJ Mercury News so said during the BALCO stuff a couple of years back.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_k ... kepm472912


Conte:

“Maurice Greene's coach, John Smith, was in collusion with Trevor Graham to remove me and Balco athletes from the sport,” he claimed. “When Trevor sent the sample of ‘the clear' (THG) to USADA he did so based upon the advice of John Smith.

“I was working with Dwain Chambers, who was consistently beating both Maurice and Tim Montgomery, who was coached by Trevor at the time. Smith and Graham decided to turn in the THG sample and name names purely out of competitive jealousy. It certainly wasn't done as a noble deed.”


Nothing new, but the t:s are now being crossed.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 746753.ece
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Postby gh » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:51 am

The rumors are getting worse, much worse.
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Postby RJMB_1 » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:39 am

gh wrote:The rumors are getting worse, much worse.


I hope not worse than the speculation here! I for one have lost the taste to comment any more on this !! ( if it's bad it's bad, nowt the good fans on t&fn forum can do).
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Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:39 am

gh wrote:The rumors are getting worse, much worse.


"Worse" means what? More people involved within one camp, more camps involved, longer duration at camps (e.g., Mo from 1997 on rather than 2002-03)? More infighting?
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Postby EPelle » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:42 am

The wheels churning in the rumour mill has been more camps, more athletes, more trainers, more managers and more agents involved than believed. Doesn:t stop with HSI, but further discussion about who/what/where does, as to not create innuendo for parties possibly not involved.
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Postby gh » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:54 am

EPelle wrote:The wheels churning in the rumour mill has been more camps, more athletes, more trainers, more managers and more agents involved than believed. Doesn:t stop with HSI, but further discussion about who/what/where does, as to not create innuendo for parties possibly not involved.


Not remotely what I'm referring to.
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Postby EPelle » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:56 am

I was speaking in direct response to 26mi235 statement based on what I have come to know, not in relation to your statement.
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Postby jazzcyclist » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:04 am

The thing that's disheartening is that in all of these sports, it's various American and European law enforcement agencies that are outing the cheaters, not the actual governing bodies of the sports themselves. If not for law enforcement, baseball's single season home run record would be up to 80, the average speed in cycling's grand tours would be up to 30 m.p.h and women would have to run at least 10.8 just to make a global 100 meter final.
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Postby rasb » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:42 am

Even more disheartening is that the Sport Governing Body (eg IAAF) MAY have something to hide here. As bad as the rest of the stuff is, that would be the real Elephant in the room, if there were any truth in that "rumour". Of course, then there are National Sport Governing Bodies to consider, as well.
Just idle Internet conjecture.....so far.
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Postby dakota » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:42 am

Maybe that's the way it should be though. If you do something illegal, you're dealt with by the justice system. If you don't do anything illegal, great.

Maybe these alphabet soups have become a bit self serving. Any war on drugs tends to end up less about enforcing good policies, and more about maintaining the status quo for the interested parties.
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Postby Trackaholic » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:23 pm

jazzcyclist wrote:
Speedbuff wrote:The author of the recent meltdown letter is being threatened with a lawsuit from someone hefty, so he has decided not to publicly own up to writing it. However, people in know have confirmed who wrote the letter.

Can you name or at least describe to person who you got the letter from?


I want to see this letter.
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Postby Speedbuff » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:10 pm

The heat on Maurice just got turned up a notch. Emanuel Hudson at HSI declined to talk.


“We would like to hear his explanation,” the I.A.A.F. spokesman Nick Davies wrote in an e-mail message Wednesday.

The Times described the informant’s charges and what the informant said was a $10,000 wire transfer from Greene to the informant. The Daily Telegraph later quoted Greene as saying that he had met the informant, but did not obtain or use any drugs from him. Greene said he bought “stuff” for his track club teammates. “Our group was very close and things always came up,” Greene told the newspaper. “I would pay for stuff and not care what it was. I’ve paid for things for other people.”

In the e-mail message Wednesday to The Times, Davies wrote: “We have asked Maurice Greene for a written reaction to the entire article, including comments he is quoted as making, but have not received his reply yet.”

Davies said he made the request for explanations directly to Greene’s agent, Emanuel Hudson of HSInternational in Irvine, Calif. Hudson declined to talk about that request, or about Greene’s response.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/sport ... thersports
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Postby Speedbuff » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:09 pm

Fast and Furious HSI? Mo Greene needs a fire extinguisher again for sure now.

This article basically contains a summary of "the letter" allegedly written from Ato to John Smith, Mo and Emanuel Hudson.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/t ... 06,00.html
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Postby stallion » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:12 pm

Speedbuff wrote:Fast and Furious HSI? Mo Greene needs a fire extinguisher again for sure now.

This article basically contains a summary of "the letter" allegedly written from Ato to John Smith, Mo and Emanuel Hudson.

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/athletics/t ... 06,00.html

Perhaps you've forgotten that you've already posted this...Maybe you need the fire extinguisher..You seem hot and bothered about this...
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Re: Fireworks at HSI?

Postby polevaultpower » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:37 pm

[and you really think we'd let scurrilous crap like this stand?--mods]


I love how this website expands my vocabulary.
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