Andrea_T wrote:To tafnut, the FACT is there was systematic doping in the US during the same period. Might not be the same system, but it was there, and plain to see.
And now Marion Jones, Kelly White, Torri Edwards, Christie Gaines, L Tasha Jenkins, Inger Miller...the backbone of the US sprint team for a decade, all failed tests (see gh, I'm within the rules!)....
The mention of Miller is a tad unfair. Her "positive" was for caffeine, and calmer heads have since prevailed and removed that as a bannable offense.
And not to split semantic hairs, but Jenkins did not fail any test. By binding decision that's the case.
So is Edwards.
My name was mentioned earlier in the thread, so I'd like to re-state my position.
Prior to 1968 I am not aware of systematic doping program in Czechoslovakia. Post-1968 I am clueless.
For anyone who gets caught for anything that was against the rules at the time no matter how minor some may view the infractions, I just default to the position that that is all they got caught for and were doing other stuff and that includes the 19 year old Gatlin. I don't shed any tears for any of them. Others can give them the benefit of the doubt but I am not so naive(as some have been around here with other athletes).
MJD wrote:For anyone who gets caught for anything that was against the rules at the time no matter how minor some may view the infractions, I just default to the position that that is all they got caught for and were doing other stuff and that includes the 19 year old Gatlin. I don't shed any tears for any of them. Others can give them the benefit of the doubt but I am not so naive(as some have been around here with other athletes).
MJD wrote:For anyone who gets caught for anything that was against the rules at the time no matter how minor some may view the infractions, I just default to the position that that is all they got caught for and were doing other stuff and that includes the 19 year old Gatlin. I don't shed any tears for any of them. Others can give them the benefit of the doubt but I am not so naive(as some have been around here with other athletes).
That is my view too...
I respectfully disagree. The Gatlin case is one of a prescribed med and there is an official trail that says that it was NOT a deliberate violation. "violations" such as for caffeine (and other 'common' substances), that were later removed tell us little about generalized intent, in my opinion.
I do have a question about how one might talk about a situation where Frank Shorter has pushed on the situation with Cierpinski -- I do not know about WC and would not be speculating but is it feasible to talk about Shorter's comments or about those of Werner Franke (German involved in anti-doping crusade)?
gh wrote:tafnut does NOT speak for Board policy, which is quite simple: don't be implicating individuals.
In that case, why is it OK to suggest, as Tafnut did above that GDR had a policy of "if you are an EG track athlete, you WILL do as you're told (take PEDs) or you won't be wearing our singlet"? .
Yu vill eat za pill. Yu vill not leave za homeland or ve vill shoot u.
gh wrote:tafnut does NOT speak for Board policy, which is quite simple: don't be implicating individuals.
In that case, why is it OK to suggest, as Tafnut did above that GDR had a policy of "if you are an EG track athlete, you WILL do as you're told (take PEDs) or you won't be wearing our singlet"? .
Yu vill eat za pill. Yu vill not leave za homeland or ve vill shoot u.
Und zee vill be varingz zee itchyscratchysuitzundpantzen madez frumz zee Pottsdam, vile zee uzzerz vill be varingz zee smoozuntsexysuitzundpantzen smugglez inz frumz zee Dusseldorf.
