Forgive me if this has been covered in another thread: Any theories why Trevor Graham sent the syringe of "the clear"to the authorities? How could he not figure that this would come back and bite him and his athletes in the glutes?
It has been asked a few times here. I think we can all agree it's the biggest mystery in this whole sordid mess. He looks to be losing the most when it's all said and done.
I think this is a no-brainer. After the defections of Marion & Tim to Charlie Francis' camp, I think Trevor was both jealous & angry, and he decided some retribution was in order in the form of "anonymously" sending the syringe himself. I don't think he ever envisioned that he himself would get caught. That was his mistake.
guru wrote:It has been asked a few times here. I think we can all agree it's the biggest mystery in this whole sordid mess. He looks to be losing the most when it's all said and done.
Simple answer: Turf war. Conte was on top of the totem poll, Sprint Capitol was attempting to make its way up.
Graham reached USADA:s media representative, Rich Wanniner, on his own accord and informed him that Conte was producing an undetectable PED and distributing it to elite athletes. Graham identified by name several elite American and international track and field taking Conte:s products -- though none of them, as per Graham, were part of Sprint Capitol (a bold faced lie later discovered).
Catlin received the THG-filled syringe eight days after the contact with Wanniner, that is to say on 2003-june-13.
That's all well and good Epelle, but Graham was USING the product. Did he really think he would have no personal repercussions once investigations commenced?
Thanks for the answers given. Also, in Marion's letter, she says when the federal agents showed her "the clear" she immediatedly recognized it as the "flaxseed oil" that Trevor Graham had been giving her since 1999. I thought that "the clear"was, um, in fact a clear liquid. Has anyone on this board seen the product? Is there anything to distinguish it appearance-wise from, say, water?
I:ve learned from one athlete that they used a needleless syringe filled with the a pale yellow-coloured clear under their tongue on an average of every second day.
mrbowie wrote:I take a flaxseen oil pill every morning. It may be clear, but it has a golden hue.
The lying is PANDEMIC now??!! Has Marion's deceit infected EVERYONE? Will we see a video of Mr. Bowie in tearful denial of his drug problem? Is the T&FN MB infected as well? Will we ALL be taking 'flaxseed oil pills' soon? Oh, woe is me!
One good thing that has come from all this is Flaxseed getting publicity. I didn't realize how many benefits it has. I'm getting a bottle next time I'm at the store.
guru wrote:One good thing that has come from all this is Flaxseed getting publicity. I didn't realize how many benefits it has. I'm getting a bottle next time I'm at the store.
OH MY GOD GURU! I went to my local flax seed oil outlet as i always do every sat. and the idiot gave me The Clear by mistake! Ahhhhh! ahhh! oh .... ahhhhh
guru wrote:One good thing that has come from all this is Flaxseed getting publicity. I didn't realize how many benefits it has. I'm getting a bottle next time I'm at the store. http://ga.essortment.com/whatisflaxsee_pfy.htm
We're gonna hafta get pego's opinion on this. Looks like snake oil. The claims are that it fights
- cholesterol
- strokes, heart attacks and thromboses.
- high blood pressure
- inflammation
- water retention
- sticky platelets
- lowered immune function
- liver disease
- cancer
- Asthma
- Eczema, Psoriasis, and Dandruff
- Arthritis
- Diabetes
- allergies
- Atherosclerosis
- depression
- loss of mental function
- Multiple Sclerosis
- Schizophrenia
- PMS
and it
- Shortens recovery time for fatigued muscles after exertion.
- Increases the body's production of energy and also increases stamina.
- Accelerates the healing of sprains and bruises.
- Eases weight loss in people afflicted with obesity.
- Stimulates brown fat cells and increases the metabolic rate making it easier to burn off fat.
- Improves the absorption of Calcium.
- Strengthens finger and toenails.
- Can improve eyesight and perception of colors.
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I guess the only question is - does it fight Erectile Dysfunction (which is apparently the #1 health problem in America, judging by the spam I get), and does it do windows?
guru wrote: One good thing that has come from all this is Flaxseed getting publicity. I didn't realize how many benefits it has. I'm getting a bottle next time I'm at the store. http://ga.essortment.com/whatisflaxsee_pfy.htm
We're gonna hafta get pego's opinion on this. Looks like snake oil. The claims are that it fights
- cholesterol
- strokes, heart attacks and thromboses.
- high blood pressure
- inflammation
- water retention
- sticky platelets
- lowered immune function
- liver disease
- cancer
- Asthma
- Eczema, Psoriasis, and Dandruff
- Arthritis
- Diabetes
- allergies
- Atherosclerosis
- depression
- loss of mental function
- Multiple Sclerosis
- Schizophrenia
- PMS
and it
- Shortens recovery time for fatigued muscles after exertion.
- Increases the body's production of energy and also increases stamina.
- Accelerates the healing of sprains and bruises.
- Eases weight loss in people afflicted with obesity.
- Stimulates brown fat cells and increases the metabolic rate making it easier to burn off fat.
- Improves the absorption of Calcium.
- Strengthens finger and toenails.
- Can improve eyesight and perception of colors.
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I guess the only question is - does it fight Erectile Dysfunction (which is apparently the #1 health problem in America, judging by the spam I get), and does it do windows?
Why do you think it is "snake oil"? It is a mistake to discredit natural healing products. People blow off natural products but have no problem taking perscription meds (which are crap they may help one symptom but cause 10 others, what a joke) I don't know anything about flaxseed oil but I do think it is obtuse to trivialize it because you don't know what it is.
Why do you think it is "snake oil"? It is a mistake to discredit natural healing products. People blow off natural products but have no problem taking perscription meds (which are crap they may help one symptom but cause 10 others, what a joke) I don't know anything about flaxseed oil but I do think it is obtuse to trivialize it because you don't know what it is.[/quote]
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. Hasn't failed me yet.
vaultman wrote:Why do you think it is "snake oil"? It is a mistake to discredit natural healing products. People blow off natural products but have no problem taking perscription meds (which are crap they may help one symptom but cause 10 others, what a joke) I don't know anything about flaxseed oil but I do think it is obtuse to trivialize it because you don't know what it is.
pego has continuously warned us about 'miracle' supplements. Look at everything it claims to help - that's a red flag if I've ever seen one!
vaultman wrote:Why do you think it is "snake oil"? It is a mistake to discredit natural healing products. People blow off natural products but have no problem taking perscription meds (which are crap they may help one symptom but cause 10 others, what a joke) I don't know anything about flaxseed oil but I do think it is obtuse to trivialize it because you don't know what it is.
Note the three main uses:
Nutritional supplement Paint binder Wood finish
And don't miss (I'm not kidding) the spontaneous combustion . . .
And don't miss (I'm not kidding) the spontaneous combustion . . .
Very useful natural resource I'd say. What is in perscription meds that are supposed to do the same things? I am in no way an all natural way of life "tree hugger" although I do like trees. But I also can't stand big pharmaceutical companies that make all sorts of $h!t that end up causing something else to go wrong all the while making it seem that something like flaxseed oil is a "snake oil". It is amazing to me that people think the only way to treat their high cholesterol, high blood pressure, depression, asthma, diabetes or heart disease is to take perscription meds.
As for what "Clear" actually looks like I have no idea. Taf I don't think you are obtuse by the way. Your alright by me I still owe you one.
vaultman wrote:But I also can't stand big pharmaceutical companies that make all sorts of $h!t that end up causing something else to go wrong all the while making it seem that something like flaxseed oil is a "snake oil".
We know that drugs, which can be highly effective, also have side effects. I do try to avoid those with the 'spontaneous combustion' side effect!
The worst thing in the whole Graham scenario is the effect on his son TJ, a top level Jr sprinter and very good football player too. The news I have, is that he has stopped coming to football practice and was kicked off the team as a result. Its always a shame when you are stuck with an A-hole for a father.
guru wrote: Why do you think it is "snake oil"? It is a mistake to discredit natural healing products. People blow off natural products but have no problem taking perscription meds (which are crap they may help one symptom but cause 10 others, what a joke) I don't know anything about flaxseed oil but I do think it is obtuse to trivialize it because you don't know what it is.
A true wonder drug is something like aspirin, which can do about three different things. One of the hallmarks of "snake oil" and other fake cures is that they are touted to treated a dozen or more conditions.
When you see some nostrum that supposedly can cure a long and disparate list of conditions, run the other way. There is no such thing as a drug that can do all that. Save your money.
Another red flag is when the stuff is being peddled based on a bunch of testimonials instead of large and well-controlled clinical trials that are published in peer-reviewed journals. There is no treatment so absurd, say rubbing monkey dung on your head under the light of a full moon, that you can't find some people somewhere who will swear that it worked wonders for them.
EPelle wrote:Simple answer: Turf war. Conte was on top of the totem poll, Sprint Capitol was attempting to make its way up
i've never read anywhere that conte was a sprint coach or had any ambitions to be such ???
I find it sad and pathetic that you:ve aged and died on this subject in a state of being contrary for f_cks sake, rather than living on by having taken a bit of smarts with you. You find nothing else over which to be argumentative so you:ve now resorted to this, and want to chalk it up as being a part of discourse? Your having mentioned only the first part of the statement I made says enough. There:s no use explaining the Conte piece here to you, as you:ve read it (and a thousand others) a thousand times already and have each time gone to the same old ploy, saying the same old _____ .
you posting nonsense as usual & not expecting to get brought up on it ???
i've never read anywhere conte was applying for a coaching license & about to set up his own training camp, nor that trevor was about to set up a pharmaceutical manufacturing company
they were involved in separate lines of business - one a dealer, 1 a coach
as for conte's business scheme at the time,i suggest you read drug-dealing 101 :
"you sell as much dope to as many people as possible, as long as they are not cops"
you posting nonsense as usual & not expecting to get brought up on it ???
i've never read anywhere conte was applying for a coaching license & about to set up his own training camp, nor that trevor was about to set up a pharmaceutical manufacturing company
they were involved in separate lines of business - one a dealer, 1 a coach
as for conte's business scheme at the time,i suggest you read drug-dealing 101 :
"you sell as much dope to as many people as possible, as long as they are not cops"
what same "turf war" has friar agreed upon with you ???
as pointed out, conte had never stated any intention of ever setting up a sprint camp, so the only "turf war" graham woud ever have been in wouda been with likes of john smith, steve riddick, remi & maybe even clyde hart for the best sprint talent in america & carib to join his camp rather than the others
where your nonsense that victor & trevor were ever directly competing in a "turf war" comes from, i have no idea ?!
