26mi235 wrote:Were her marks before 1999 legitimate?
The ESPN report headline reads, "Report says Jones used steroids for two years before 2000 Games". So I would assume she was using in 1998 and 1999.
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Marion to plead guilty to doping!
The ESPN report headline reads, "Report says Jones used steroids for two years before 2000 Games". So I would assume she was using in 1998 and 1999.
Quote from the Washington Post article linked in the OP:
"...Jones, who won five medals at the Sydney Olympics, said she took the steroid known as "the clear" for two years beginning in 1999, according to the letter, which was read to The Washington Post by a person who had been given a copy..." Suggests 1999-2001. Justin
[quote]. The news that Jones took drugs will be taken by the media and public at large as yet more evidence that the sport is dirty, not as evidence that the sport is acting to clean itself up, however much we know the latter to be the case. IMHO!quote]
Frankly, the sport IS dirty. Especially the sprints. Look at all the top names that have gone down over the years. It's hard to believe some of the other top names were/are innocent. How can we enjoy the sport when so many champions and record breakers turn out to be cheats too? It's hard to trust anything that happens in the sprints.
No, dont apologize cause even though i couldnt do it, you argued to delay judgment until we know all the FACTS. Something to be admired i think.
First Jones admits to using steroids and then Tafnut apologizes.
What's next? Fill your Malmo punchlines here______________________<===
How many of you guys openly defended Marion in this forum when allegations were initially made? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
EDIT: Ok Tafnut is one of them. You lost all your credibility because of your "red/blue/white star-sprangled banner goggles" man.
Thanks. Appreciate it. But it had nothing to do with her being an American. She had SO much promise in HS, I simply couldn't believe she would risk everything by going the PED route.
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Bullshit.
So the moment any allegations are made about anyone they should be publicly butchered here on this site? I think what Nut did is kinda like an American ideal, is it not?
As I have stated previously, I wasn't defending her so much as I was common sense. Why wasn't she part of the BALCO names leaked back when the story initially broke? Why didn't the others roll over on her like they did each other? Still doesn't make sense, but like I said earlier in this thread, whatever. 
And I'll say again, what the hell did Graham think he had to gain by starting this mess? Looks like HE will be the one to take the biggest fall. Man, I have a headache
???? You know what's in my mind and heart? Wow. You should be a zillionaire with a gift like that. And, no, not very many people, myself included, defended FloJo's OG achievements. I have my suspicions, but I have no proof, so I guess I should keep them to myself. That's one of the guidelines of this board. If you don't KNOW, don't accuse. I didn't KNOW about Marion's steroid use till NOW. All the signs were there, but I chose to defend her innocence till we had proof. Silly me, huh? My bad. Not my first mistake and certainly not my last.
Tell us what you really think. You seem to be reluctant to reveal the depth of your schadenfreude. 
I think more than ever, today's news reveals that the best way to out the cheaters is through investigative work and putting together circumstantial evidence and not waiting around for people to flunk drug tests. Probably the majority of the cheaters that have been outed in cycling during last couple of years never flunked a drug test. Investigative work is necessary if the powers-that-be really want to clean up the sport.
Start treating them like the felons they are, impose real criminal penalties for theft and fraud, enjoy the fun......
But they are getting her on 2 sleazy counts. Lying to Feds? I thought that's what asserting your rights are about.
I think everybody on this board ended their defense when the news broke that she began having her epi' tested in a S.Diego lab. That was it for me.
I doubt that this would be happening if she hadn't been involved in the check scheme.
And, if she had fessed up when everyone else did, maybe Gatlin would have had a different coach.
someone kindly tell me why she has admitted to anything ?
as far as i'm aware, if it's a case of trevor claiming he gave her some sub-lingual drops 7y ago ( hell, polio vaccine used to be su-lingual drops ! ), for which there was no test until 3y later & no sample to test ( even if they had the sample 3y later, any decent lawyer will get a dismissal for an "ancient" sample on potentially degraded sample grounds, even if frozen ) then it comes down to her word against trevor & i doubt the latter or his lawyers are going to frighten her with mickey-mouse non-analytical +ve bullshit
She did but like a lot of young athletes (and people in general) she wanted everything at once. When you train you can peak and reach a sticking point. When that happens you need to vary your training routine to reach higher plateaus. Many times you will regress before you move forward. With PED usage these sticking points are much farther in the distance.
Perhaps not much reason to do a career review on her, but thinking about the suggestion of starting this in 99 prompted me to review pela2's lists (thank you!) -- I may have some of this wrong, as I counted quickly, but it looks like her great leap forward, and her greatest # of fast times was in 98. Here are some summary #s for her seasonal 100m performances:
1997 1 @ 10.70-10.79 1 @ 10.80-10.89 8 @ 10.90-10.99 1998 1 @ 10.65 8 @ 10.70-10.79 6 @ 10.80-10.89 1999 & 2000 & 2001 together 5 @ 10.70-10.79 9 @ 10.80.10.89 8 @ 10.90-10.99 2002 6 @ 18.80-10.89 2 @ 10.90-10.99 2006 2 @ 10.90-10.99 I haven't followed her career in detail, so perhaps she was racing less in 99-01. In 97, she demonstrated the ability to run 10.7-10.8. In 98, she was capable of running at that level over and over. That suggests an increased capacity to train hard and recover quickly.
If she's basically done nothin wrong than it is quite a mystery why she would admit to any wrong doin. 
it appears a confession for drug use from '99 onwards, say '00 for full-effect to manifest if started in '99
for the record, can anyone kindly post her '97'/98 ( presumably, pre-"clear" ) performances for 100/200/lj & then her '99 ( maybe start of "clear" ) & '00 ones & then her '01 ones ( presumably stuffed to the gills on "clear" ) anything altitude converted to basic ! Last edited by eldrick on Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
As much as I despise the lying and cheating I give her kudos for finally telling the truth. It can't be easy for her and she is showing more courage than many others who are still hiding and refusing to tell the truth. I'd welcome these kinds of confessions from Flo-Jo's contemporaries. Even though I'm not naming names, I am holding several record holders from that era in a lower regard than Marion Jones at this juncture.
It stuns me that anyone would find this good news for our sport. And I am dismally disappointed over the nasty vitriol spewed at Tafnut. Whta can be good about anyone testing positive? Why would anyone be happy about any of this???
Tafnut, don't let anyone Nilsson says change the positive attitude you have toward the sport and its participants. Your position was always that she remained innocent until proof came forward. That you did. I wish others were half as noble. And Malmo, that post was just beautiful.
OK, OK... we can beat up on Marion while she is down, but what's the point? Maybe the first honest thing she's said in years is how badly she feels about her negative impact on so many people.
Now, the bigger question for which we have no answers: how many other Olympic and world champions and WR-holders are just as dirty as Marion was? IMHO, way more than any of us is willing to imagine.
Marion to plead guilty
Well said, Kevin, and I agree completely...
That's close enough, Malmo 
I think the glee response is missing the bigger point here. This whole story is profoundly sad.Who's the winner here? Track looks bad, Marion looks bad and Tafnut looks like a senile old naive fool. Ok that part i like.
I can gloat that i was right about Marion but i really dont feel like gloating. Sad.
The Feds wouldn't let her out of the perjury trap without her first corroborating the testimony of her co-conspirators and cooperating in other investigations. They don't set the perjury trap without already knowing the endgame. Remember she was involved in a whole host of crimes, including the bank fraud thing. The Feds had the responsibility to determine her part in that crime, if any. My guess she gets a 6 month minimum security gig in the federal pen and probation.  Last edited by malmo on Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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