Carl Lewis just said on NBC that they have to get these frauds under oath. That is what I always have been saying. The whole Dubin thing. Basically how they got MJ. Now they should put a few of those ridiculous ballplayers in jail that lied under oath to congress. And I swore that I wouldn't go bump crazy but this is funny:
"I don't think much will come of this as I don't think the various levels of US government don't want to see how termite infested the house is(the level of drug usage in all sports)."
Matt wrote:Only this week I have read dozens of posts from people eulogising a 'great' athlete who was known for years within US track and field circles as having been a steroid user (and for suffering from the ensuing health problems). There are very few 'amazing' performances that are not drug assisted......
Interesting, But in his time they weren't illegal, where they?
Not in 1968, but they were banned long before 1980.
Law dude wrote:The IAAF statute of limitations on admissions is 8 years.
Ridiculous and embarassing.
Last time I checked, around these parts every crime on the books has a statute of limitation (seven years or less) except murder. So you are suggesting that we put PED use on the same level as murder? THAT sounds kind of ridiculous . . .
(And didn't you recently find a spell checker in your browser? Not using it can be kind of 'embarassing'. )
bad hammy wrote:Last time I checked, around these parts every crime on the books has a statute of limitation (seven years or less) except murder. So you are suggesting that we put PED use on the same level as murder? THAT sounds kind of ridiculous
Ask that Cuban who showed some poster around here his minor medal from 50 years earlier what he would think about the issue.
Jaack wrote:Pauline Davis Thompson is the Olympic champion!!!
She arrived at Sydney at the age of 34, dropping from the 400m to the 200m - she took. 2 off her PB of 8 years, then another to place second in the final BEHIND MJ!
At 34, the oldest sprint champion in the history of the sport(?)! Pauline Davis Thompson- What a legend.
What'll be interesting is the first interview she does? Will she admit just the bare minimum a la Pete Rose or will she tell all a la Jose Canseco? Remember, Canseco says that he would have never made it to the Majors without PED's, not to mention become an MVP. Rose, on the other hand, initially denied betting at all. Then he admitted betting on sports other than baseball. Later on he admitted betting on baseball, but not Reds games. Then he admitted betting on Reds games but never against the Reds, which still contradicts the facts and evidence contained in the Dowd report.
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Only got a quarter page article on page 7 in today's Rocky Mountain News, the rag you get on Saturday when you have home delivery on the Denver Post. In part, page 7 is courtesy of the Colorado Rockies having won 16 of their last 17 and dominating the sports section lately. AND, believe it or not, an NFL drug scandal trumped Marion's for front page coverage in today's sports section. Bronco's RB Travis Henry apparently has failed his third NFL drug test and faces a yearlong suspension. He has "filed a lawsuit to get a restraining order to prevent the league from using a urine specimen against him and making the test results public."
Matt wrote:Only this week I have read dozens of posts from people eulogising a 'great' athlete who was known for years within US track and field circles as having been a steroid user (and for suffering from the ensuing health problems). There are very few 'amazing' performances that are not drug assisted......
Interesting, But in his time they weren't illegal, where they?
Not in 1968, but they were banned long before 1980.
But he didn't (Allegedly) do anything worth worrying about after '68.
Matt wrote:Only this week I have read dozens of posts from people eulogising a 'great' athlete who was known for years within US track and field circles as having been a steroid user (and for suffering from the ensuing health problems). There are very few 'amazing' performances that are not drug assisted......
Interesting, But in his time they weren't illegal, where they?
Not in 1968, but they were banned long before 1980.
But he didn't (Allegedly) do anything worth worrying about after '68.
...apart from producing one of the world's longest throws (which would have won in Osaka this year) when aged about 43 in 1980!
Matt wrote:Only this week I have read dozens of posts from people eulogising a 'great' athlete who was known for years within US track and field circles as having been a steroid user (and for suffering from the ensuing health problems). There are very few 'amazing' performances that are not drug assisted......
Interesting, But in his time they weren't illegal, where they?
Not in 1968, but they were banned long before 1980.
But he didn't (Allegedly) do anything worth worrying about after '68.
The same also holds true for Barry Bonds. His peak years, 2001-2004, occurred before the drug testing policy went into effect.
But the issue of 7/8 years Statute of Limitations should never enable an athlete to say'' I cheated 10 years ago and had been a drug taker for years, but you people at IAAF or IOC can do nothing about my ill gotten medals due to such Statute.
bennyg wrote:No sane person compares drug cheating to murder.
Very much agreed, there's a huge difference. To begin with, drug cheaters don't get elected to governments. Drug cheaters don't get away with it because of weird religious or political excuses. Drug cheaters never think deep inside their soul they're doing it for the greater good. Murder may be an evil deed but it's nothing compared to drug cheating.
LopenUupunut wrote:Murder may be an evil deed but it's nothing compared to drug cheating.
No smiley emoticon on that to indicate you are joking??
Of course I'm not being serious, I know murder does much more damage to the world than drug cheating. But it does less damage to one's public image. For a simple example, think of Angelo Taylor and all the problems he's had with the law. Despite those, the T&F community is happy about his comeback. I'm pretty sure this would be the case even if he was a murderer. Now, if he had been a drug cheater, we wouldn't welcome him back, quite the opposite...
LopenUupunut wrote:Murder may be an evil deed but it's nothing compared to drug cheating.
No smiley emoticon on that to indicate you are joking??
Of course I'm not being serious, I know murder does much more damage to the world than drug cheating. But it does less damage to one's public image. For a simple example, think of Angelo Taylor and all the problems he's had with the law. Despite those, the T&F community is happy about his comeback. I'm pretty sure this would be the case even if he was a murderer. Now, if he had been a drug cheater, we wouldn't welcome him back, quite the opposite...
Murder and child molestation don't affect the integrity of the sport. They don't cost people Olympic medals, unless of course the victim is a competitor a la Nancy Kerrigan.
jazzcyclist wrote:Murder and child molestation don't affect the integrity of the sport. They don't cost people Olympic medals, unless of course the victim is a competitor a la Nancy Kerrigan.
I was pretty sure someone would try that one. No, I don't think that's an excuse. We take things like drug cheating very seriously. We think of a drug cheaters (pretty justifiedly, when it comes to that) as untrustworthy weasels - their image is hurt so badly we wouldn't dream of giving a major government role to, say, Marion Jones. Do we give major government roles to people who kill other people? I think the history of this planet gives you a pretty good answer even if you don't spot every detail.
In D.C., all three local news affiliates led w/ her "confession" on their 11 p.m. newscasts Fri. Never seen a T & F story as lead since Ben J. Front page of Wash. Post above fold, but not the lead headline for Sat.
jazzcyclist wrote:The same also holds true for Barry Bonds. His peak years, 2001-2004, occurred before the drug testing policy went into effect.
And I have even less interest in Barry Bonds but surely when the drug testing procedures when into effect is irrelevant. It's whether they were legal at the time or not that counts.
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The state of sports is really sad. Kids no longer have heros who they can try to emulate. Now, there is always a question as to whether or not a superstar athlete has cheated to gain his superstar status. It is appearing that possibly more often than not, the superstars have worked outside the rules.
Our sport is being murdered by the cheats. My 15 year-old son and his friends, many of whom are very athletic, look at t&f as though it were body-building. The view it as nothing more than a bunch of drugies. They are opting to avoid the sport, instead playing soccer. Of course, soccer is likely not clean either.
I suppose it is just a reflection of society as a whole. The "everyone is doing it, so to compete I must do it" rationale is not unique to sport. We see it commonly in business as well. Greed and ego are very powerful forces.
Flumpy wrote:. . . but surely when the drug testing procedures when into effect is irrelevant. It's whether they were legal at the eime or not that counts/
So you are fine with any and all marks made by PED users who used PEDs prior to their being banned? It is not the use of the PED itself that bothers you, it is the arbitrary date when some governing body said 'no more'?
The sad thing about this latest track and field doping disclosure like all the previous ones is that it creates the false impression to the public that t&f is extraordinarily saturated in PEDS when in fact t&f testing by national governing bodies of western nations is far more rigorous testing than NFL/NBA/MLB testing in those same nations.
track and field is squeaky clean when compared to the NFL.
Jaack wrote:Pauline Davis Thompson is the Olympic champion!!!
She arrived at Sydney at the age of 34, dropping from the 400m to the 200m - she took. 2 off her PB of 8 years, then another to place second in the final BEHIND MJ!
At 34, the oldest sprint champion in the history of the sport(?)! Pauline Davis Thompson- What a legend.
No, I don't think so.
Have you anything more to add? You don't think she is the oldest? You don't think she's a legend? You don't think she was 34 years old or dropped her pb by .2???
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