What's funny is the athletes in basketball, football and baseball don't even need "designer" steroids, plain old steroids work fine when you're not being tested or at least not being tested very often. Anyone know exactly what they test for in MLB and the NFL and how often they test (do they ever actually test or do they just talk about it). I don't think the NBA tests at all at this point.
Note that Donald Fehr has been a member of the USOC Board And the Senate's USOC reform task force while simultaneously heading the MLB union that has fought against baseball players being drug tested. Pretty sad.
It would be nice to see the NFL and other major sports pool their resources with the USADA to test their athletes...So much money has been spent internationaly to develop these tests for testing Olympic athletes and to my knowledge the NFL has not taken advantage of these tests nor do they use the labs that the IAAF etc use to test their athletes (can someone please correct me if I'm wrong). This leads me to believe that the testing in the NFL is either woefully behind what we even have in track or is pretty much non-existant. They have certainly caught far fewer players over the last couple of years than we have in track (come to think of it have they caught any?).
<<In fairness, the NFL actually does a
good deal of testing. They don't do blood
testing to detect HGH (nobody in any sport does).
But their testing program is pretty
This a bit off-topic and possibly fictional, but on a recent episode of ESPN's "Playmakers", one of the characters avoided detection by having a doctor drain and clean his bladder of the drug-heavy urine, after which the doctor injected someone else's clean urine into the bladder.
>bit off-topic and possibly fictional, but on a
>recent episode of ESPN's "Playmakers", one of
>the characters avoided detection by having a
>doctor drain and clean his bladder of the
>drug-heavy urine, after which the doctor injected
>someone else's clean urine into the
There was a very similar scene in the movie "The Program"...
First, to Randy Mayes: yes, the NFL has caught a fair number of players over the past couple years. Notable examples include Julius Peppers and Lee Flowers; there have been a number of others.
Second, regarding the Playmakers show: that show has no resemblance to reality. Sure, some stuff goes on in the NFL, but that show (like Oliver Stone's ridiculous Any Given Sunday) is a huge exaggeration.
Third, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the NFL's testing program; I believe the NFL has done quite alot.
However, the NFL is actually not really relevant on this board; criticizing the NFL about its supposed shortcomings in this area really just deflects attention away from our own sport, which should be the main subject of this message board and is actually in a very sorry state regarding drugs.
Somebody on the t-and-f listserv opined that this drug scandal might take us back to "pre-1958" times; I say if the NFL tested as vigorously as track & field, we'd go back to the days of linemen weighing 250-275 pounds.
I'd say the testing of other sports is relevant. T&F competes for viewers and sponsorship dollars against those other sports. Getting black eye after black eye for testing while other sports are not testing, or are testing at a lesser level, gives them an advantage and ultimately hurts our sport.
An Ex-Cowboy (name escapes except that he's a spokeman for NORML now!) explained last year how the NFL drug testing program. They test once per year and you get 4 months notice before your test date. That's how he was able to fire up a bowl daily for his 10+ year career and not get caught.
"this drug scandal might take us back to "pre-1958" times"
Not a chance. 45 years of accumulated knowledge pertaining to training (including use of weights) means today's athletes have a lot of science in addition to drugs to help them run swifter, jump higher and throw farther. And they run on much faster tracks, and there is a worldwide talent pool which dwarfs the number of participants in the 1950's. Get real.
>Somebody on the t-and-f listserv opined that this
>drug scandal might take us back to "pre-1958"
>times; I say if the NFL tested as vigorously as
>track & field, we'd go back to the days of
>linemen weighing 250-275 pounds.>>
I seem to recall that the LA Rams had a front four that averaged 300lb back in the late 50's or early 60's, with behemoths like Rosie Grier on it. Anybody recall deteails?