2 Ex-Teammates of Lance Armstrong Admit Drug Use


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2 Ex-Teammates of Lance Armstrong Admit Drug Use

Postby mcgato » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:04 am

NY Times today.
http://tinyurl.com/kkys2
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Postby EPelle » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:10 am

Let:s see if this one remains on the boards; the one this morning didn:t.
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Postby Snation » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:10 am

I saw that story. There is a companion story about Frankie Andreu admitting to the EPO use.

Cycling is next to pro wrestling as the ultimate dirty sport.
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Postby unclezadok » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:31 am

Not quite sure how Andrieu admitting his EPO use back then helps clean up the sport today, but it does keep his name in the media, which he seems to think is important.
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Postby EPelle » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:57 am

Why was this morning:s thread - a New York Times-based article - removed? No comments were issued on the story, just a quote and substance which indicated that Armstrong was not being called into question surrounding these two confessions.
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Postby eldrick » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:45 am

perhaps because this is an athletics-centred doping forum ?

i thoght rules stated that non-athletics doping was not to be discussed here ?

This Forum was created to divert traffic from Current Events at the height of the BALCO scandal. After a deactivation period it was brought alive again for the Gatlin/Jones controversies. We're happier when it's shut


( largesse obviously extended to landis case which is worldwide-profile & apparently goes to usada next week )
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Postby MJR » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:48 am

The Andreu stuff is old news. He has been making these claims for a few years now. If there was anyone who would know whether Lance was using in 99, it would be Frankie, who was Lance's Lieutenant for a few years.
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Postby EPelle » Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:07 pm

It was a Things Not Track & Field thread.
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Postby jhc68 » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:53 pm

Here is a column commenting on the Times article

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=cn ... &type=lgns
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Postby Snation » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:06 pm

The Yahoo commentary went awry when it suggested Armstrong might be responsible for the testicular CA he suffered.

I think that is going too far. First, it is speculative LA used steroids. And second, that would be a very uncommon side effect.
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Postby unclezadok » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:56 pm

MJR wrote:The Andreu stuff is old news. He has been making these claims for a few years now. If there was anyone who would know whether Lance was using in 99, it would be Frankie, who was Lance's Lieutenant for a few years.


He says in the recent articles that he never saw L.A. take anything illegal.
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Postby 26mi235 » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:19 pm

Snation wrote:The Yahoo commentary went awry when it suggested Armstrong might be responsible for the testicular CA he suffered.

I think that is going too far. First, it is speculative LA used steroids. And second, that would be a very uncommon side effect.


And uncommonly quick in developing. If using it for 3-4 years, as most, would lead to cancer right then we would have lots of dead athletes before they are thirty.
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Postby MJD » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:48 am

I am a huge LA fan but could some please address the fact that a doper helped him win the 99 tour and launch his incredible string? How important was Andrieu to that win?
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Postby kamikaze7 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:44 am

Lance Amstrong is the Pete Rose of cycling. he will deny deny deny and then finally cave in someday.
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Postby Snation » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:23 am

I wouldn't bet on it... :-)

Lance Amstrong is the Pete Rose of cycling. he will deny deny deny and then finally cave in someday.
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Postby Powell » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:33 am

MJD wrote:I am a huge LA fan but could some please address the fact that a doper helped him win the 99 tour and launch his incredible string? How important was Andrieu to that win?


Would you consider a middle-distance world record tainted in some way if it turned out the pacemaker was on drugs? That's the closest T&F analogy I can think of.
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Postby MJD » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:40 am

LA used to credit his team all the time and it is a totally different situation.
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Postby eldrick » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:45 am

Powell wrote:
MJD wrote:I am a huge LA fan but could some please address the fact that a doper helped him win the 99 tour and launch his incredible string? How important was Andrieu to that win?


Would you consider a middle-distance world record tainted in some way if it turned out the pacemaker was on drugs? That's the closest T&F analogy I can think of.


you coud say yes

a perfect pacer can provide close to 1s/lap advantage if the main athlete drafts in "perfectly" behind them

if a peak ramzi has a doped pacer who can take him thru the bell in an incredible 2'30, & ramzi holds on for a 3'25, then a lot of the record coud have been attributed to the pacer
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Postby jazzcyclist » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:24 am

kamikaze7 wrote:Lance Amstrong is the Pete Rose of cycling. he will deny deny deny and then finally cave in someday.


The difference is that Pete Rose continued to deny even after they found the smoking gun - gambling receipts with his fingerprints on them. In Armstrong's case, no such smoking gun has yet been found.
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