Pound is pounding sand. He is dying to nail MJ (I am assuming figuratively), and his own system will not give it to him. Shut up, plug the leaks, and do your job. As it is, DP is quite the blow-hard ass-wipe.
Bring on real conclusive, beyond a shadow of a doubt evidence, or shut the f**k up.
If POund will not follow the rules of his organization, how can he expect others to respect the organization. As for trust? How can you trust WADA with this type of reaction. He wants to have the "pro" sports come under his control -- he is burning those possibilities.
I find it disturbing, but not surprising, that other organizaions (USADA/USATF) are being so quiet about Pounds (totally out of line) comments. It hurts their credibility as well when they allow such biased comments to go unanswered...even if it is Jones.
Somebody explain to me, please, why the general tenor of people who post on the Drug Forum is akin to the peasants storming Frankenstein's castle with pitchforks and torches, ready to toss a Marion Jones from the battlements, yet every time Pound evinces a hard line of any kind he becomes the object of scorn? I don't get it.
gh wrote:Somebody explain to me, please, why the general tenor of people who post on the Drug Forum is akin to the peasants storming Frankenstein's castle with pitchforks and torches, ready to toss a Marion Jones from the battlements, yet every time Pound evinces a hard line of any kind he becomes the object of scorn? I don't get it.
You can be hard, but should be perceived as being fair as well. The process has cleared an athlete, yet he (apparently) wants to re-look at the process with the intention of un-clearing an athlete.
From the article: "I suppose if our experts look at it and say on the basis of what we have seen there is no question it should have been positive, we have an opportunity to put that into play."
If his "experts" re-look at the sample and over-ride Catalin's then surely every EPO test ever conducted by that lab should be tossed, and they should be de-certified.
If this were the normal process for every athlete that has been cleared by a B-sample, I'd play along. But I don't think it is.
What's unfair about Pound's stance? They've got a test that they (apparently) believe in, and as far as we can tell, B-negaitives are very rare. I'd say he's exercising the proper judgment in wanting to know how it happened. And by "it" I mean finding which of the two tests was apparently comrpomised, and why.
Snation wrote:We want the law enforced, but when a tough talking DA appears we don't like his tough stance. It's a paradox.
It is. Its like the silver-haired lady who doesnt mind the cops stopping a group of suspicious teenagers driving around her neighborhood and checking their vehicle. But, you'll be damned if you aske her to empty out the contents of her purse.
Hence, the importance of enforcing the law, as well as following establised law while enforcing. As long as the enforces don't change the rules in the middle of the game, I'm satisfied.
his own organisation's rules quite clearly state : -ve b test, story over ! !
Story not necessarily over; note in a previoius statement by IAAF that they retain the right to challenge the results, although I believe their recourse is to take it to CAS, should they feel that strongly.
gh wrote:Story not necessarily over; note in a previoius statement by IAAF that they retain the right to challenge the results, although I believe their recourse is to take it to CAS, should they feel that strongly.
Any further action against MJ regarding this test would clearly place this entire mess into the category of a witch hunt. If I had any respect for WADA/USADA (which I do, but to a limited degree) it would be totally lost should they pursue this case.
Three years down the road they still are ‘working’ on getting MJ from information gleaned from the BALCO bust. All of this is farce. Bust her for BALCO or move on.
As far as this EPO test, it is over. Stick a fork in it . . .
DP is not a moron nor does he lack 'credentials' for his job. What he is, is an egoist. Put yourself in his place:
You're in charge of cleaning up the sport. By any measure, you're doing a poor job. We know that MANY MANY athletes are beating the tests. Is that your fault? Sure, you are The Boss, but you're not the guy who is researching the chemistry that will catch more baddies; you're merely the enforcer of current policy (which, admittedly, you helped create).
Now, along comes a high-profile case (MJ) that can make you look like you're doing a bang-up job. You've (actually USADA, but it's still YOUR organization, as proven by your current 'ownership of the case) caught one Big Fish (JG) and you can really put the fear of God into the cheats by bringing down another BF. Your test show she's guilty - Hurray for you! You can be the sports's Savior! Be lauded in the press; hob-nob with the BigBoys.
Uh oh, just as you are preparing your Nobel Laureate speech, the B test come back negative. Oh noooooooooooooooooo! Now you look either incompetent or ineffectual or merely irrelevant. Boo hoo - what to do, what to do?
While the prudent person would apologize to MJ (and the sport) and vow to redouble your efforts to come up with better testing technology, and THEN go behind the scenes and do everything you can to investigate what went wrong, so a) it can never happen again, and b) maybe get lucky and PROVE that MJ was dirty, after all, and you'll be a hero again.
But . . . Mr. Dick makes the mistake of taking this as a personal blow to his ego and goes to the press and swears to prove the woman, who his own procedures cleared of guilt, guilty, indicating quite clearly that this is now a personal grudge. She is now exactly as guilty/innocent as a great plurality (majority?) of the rest of the elites. Where is your press conference swearing you will prosecute each and every one of them identically? Go through all THEIR previous tests and look for flaws in the protocols. The evidence IS there. Many of the negative tests were from specimens that DID contain proof of guilt. You just don't have the chemistry to prove it yet.
Mr. Dick's proclamation of his vendetta against MJ is just another clear indication that he is NOT the man for the job. His ego is simply too large to effectively lead the War on PEDs. He means well and I'm sure he is very competent, but we don't need another Avery Brundage guiding us through these rough times.
I DO NOT like Dick Pound. I think that he is doing a difficult job and doing some of it well. I think it makes the athletes feel vulnerable to have someone who, to many athletes, looks liek he apparently has the opinion that an athlete is guilty and that do what ever it takes to bring the athlete down. It is not clear that every thing that might be done is correct.
The testing HAS to be viewed as impartial. As I stated above, I think that WADA would like to expand to where many pro sports were covered by them or their rules. This behavior (by Pound) is not going to help that come about. The Union reps will strike rather give in on that score and Congress is not going to allow what might look to them like witch hunts that can be conducted by non-USAians without any recourse to US justice.
Why do all of Pounds statements make it appear that he is questioning the "B" sample rather than the "A" sample?
jammin wrote:Dick only wants to uncover the truth and I support him 100%.
I want the truth too, I think we all do. In this case, the truth is that the B sample was negative, the A sample results should never have been leaked, this whole story should never have come to light, and any further action on WADA's part concerning this test would effectively be a witch hunt.
go behind the scenes and do everything you can to investigate what went wrong, so a) it can never happen again, and b) maybe get lucky and PROVE that MJ was dirty, after all, and you'll be a hero again
sorry to nitpick such a good post, but :
- you are a moron if your public pronouncements indicate a personal grudge
- any further testing if it shows guilt can't be used/published/acted on according to established organisation rules & therefore there is no way he can be a "hero"
- If the athletes professed to a 'code of honor' like the service academies;
- the athletes came up with a testing protocol that establishes bioprofiles
- If the coaches determined to be fair and professional
All this nonsense would cease.
I don't think utopia will break out like that. However, the athletes and coaches must know that if the public becomes so sick of the controversies or the testing, that T and F will lose fans and popularity. The paychecks will ultimatrly decrease. They must know that right?
1. Is there an organization that represents the athletes, or is it individual lawyers?
2. Or, do you think everyone is protecting their own self interest? Like they want to use PEDs if they so choose?