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How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Sun Jul 06, 2003 8:12 am

I was looking through the all time 4x4 list and i saw the second fastest team in history consisted of Andrew Valmon, Quincy Watts, Harry Reynolds, and Micheal Johnson. if andrew valmon ran faster than his 44.5 split, that would be the WR relay team, cause MJ, QW, and HR are the fastest 400 runners ever, and thier splits were very fast (MJ = 42.94) so that is a scary team. My pick for the fastest 4x4 team would have to be MJ, quincy, Harry, and antonio pettigrew (in his prime running his 43 splits.) that team would be untouchable. or instead of antonio maybe steve lewis?
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Brutal » Sun Jul 06, 2003 8:21 am

Mmmmmmm?

A team

leadoff-Tommie Smith
second-MJ
third-Quincy Watts
anchor-Butch Reynolds

B team

leadoff-Lee Evans
second-Antonio Pettigrew
third-John Smith
anchor-Larry James

C team

leadoff-Andrew Valmon
second-Steve Lewis
third-Danny Everett
anchor-Alvin Harrison

D team

leadoff-Larry Black
second-Maurice Peoples
third-Jerome Young
anchor-Vince Matthews

C team

leadoff-Wayne Collett
second-Derek Mills
third-Calvin Harrison
anchor-Tyree Washington

D team

leadoff-Ron Freeman
second-Ronnie Ray
third-Roy Martin
anchor-Curtis Mills

nuff!
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Sun Jul 06, 2003 9:13 am

How about a team of Quincy Watts,Antonio Pettigrew,Butch Reynolds,and Michael Johnson.(44.0 or lower,43.1-43.2,43.1-43.3,and43.0-42.9)These splits woul be hard to beat. I think MJ could go faster than 42.8! He ran 42.93 at the end of rounds of the 400.Quincy could possibly go faster than 44.00 on the opening leg. Antonio ran 43.1 at the 1998 goodwill games and Butch could run in that area as well.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby tafnut » Sun Jul 06, 2003 9:22 am

Anyone who ever saw Lee Evans run at the peak of his careet, certainly 1968, would ever doubt putting him as anchor. Larry James was a huge talent and Evans refused to lose. It was never about time - always about winning.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:41 am

Oh cringe, not more talk of 60's has-beens....
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Thu Jul 10, 2003 9:54 am

Hey Brit Guy! Who is representing the U.K. in the 4x400? How's Jamie Baulch doing this year?
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:44 am

Speaking of Baulch, at the Olympics and WCs, he had this dramatic tendency to sprint first 200 all out and make it look like the Brits could catch the Americans and then he would hit the wall real bad in the last 100.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby gh » Thu Jul 10, 2003 11:02 am

>Oh cringe, not more talk of 60's has-beens....>>

You are correct sir, which is why this thread has been moved to the has-beens section.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:30 am

If the 60's runners had the ame palying field as the 80's 90's and current runners they would probably be more superior. Remember, the majprity of top runners now get paid quite handsomely to perform and they didn't get paid a dime in the 60's, so they had to beg, borrow and beg some more just to eat. Aside from Bullet Bob Hayes, how many really cut muscle bound srpinters did we see back then? I'd be surprised if someone could even name 5. Nowadyas, that's the norm, even for the females. If Smith, Carlos, Hines, Evans, Lennox Miller and amny more the Dollars and sponsors that are available now, only MJ and King Carl couls stand shoulder to shoulder with these individuals. As for has-beens, I was an honor roll student in 3rd grade, and now Im' scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:51 am

Being superior is just fine: it's not necessary to be "more superior." And the idea that runners of the '60s didn't get a dime is, well, perhaps not based entirely in fact. By the way, watch the sjpeling...
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:12 am

How about this.
60's team
1. Lee Evans
2. Ron Freeman
3. Larry James
4. Tommie Smith
vs.
70's team
1. John Smith
2. Willie Smith
3. Fred Newhouse
4. Larry Black
vs.
80's team
1. Danny Everett
2. Alonzo Babers
3. Steve Lewis
4. Butch Reynolds
vs. 90's team
1. Andrew Valmon
2. Qunicy Watts
3. Antonio Pettigrew
4. Michael Johnson
vs. 00's team (tentative to change)
1. Alvin Harrison
2. Angelo Taylor
3. Tyree Washington
4. Calvin Harrison
Would that be a race or what?
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby dj » Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:34 am

How about this.
60's team
1. Lee Evans
2. Ron Freeman
3. Larry James
4. Tommie Smith
vs.
70's team
1. John Smith
2. Willie Smith
3. Fred Newhouse
4. Larry Black

Presuming this to be an all-US team, here are some additional nominations:

'70s, replace Willie Smith with Vince Matthews.
'60s, replace Freeman with Henry Carr, at least. Consider substituting Ulis Williams or Mike Larrabee or Otis Davis for James.
Other decades (no particular order):
'50s, Glenn Davis, Mal Whitfield, Charlie Jenkins, Eddie Southern
'40s, Grover Klemmer, Hubie Kerns, Mal Whitfield, Reggie Pearman
'30s, Bill Carr, Ben Eastman, Archie Williams, Ray Malott
'20s, Ray Barbuti, Allen Woodring, Bud Spencer, Morgan Taylor
'10s, Ted Meredith, Binga Dismond, Charles Reidpath, Donnell Young
'00s, Maxey Long, John B. Taylor, John Carpenter, Bill Robbins
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:59 am

If a time machine could be produced, that would be an excellent race. I believe then, 2.54.0 would be broken by at least two of those teams.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:13 pm

Surprised no one has mentioned Renaldo Nehemiah or Maurice Peoples, who have two of the fastest splits ever at Penn.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby dj » Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:25 am

What Nehemiah's 44.3 in a drizzly chill at Penn '79 was how much potential he had. What it showed Nehemiah was how little he ever wanted to do that again.

His 44.3 400 leg trailed a 43.8 440 by Larry Black in '72, and a 43.9 440 for Larry James in '68 on the Penn Relays all-time list.

I don't think that's enough to put Nehemiah on the '70s list.

Maurice Peoples's 43.4 440 split came in 1973 at the Baton Rouge NCAA. I don't think the one race puts him on this relay team.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:09 am

After srious thought, I would have to place Henry Carr on the 60's team to replace Ron Freeman.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:28 am

A thought about Ron Freeman at the 1968 Olympics and his fantastic relay leg. He was known in the mid-sixties as the third best one lapper out of Arizona State Univ. - behind Henry Carr and Ulis Williams.
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby gh » Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:48 am

>A thought about Ron Freeman at the 1968 Olympics
>and his fantastic relay leg. He was known in the
>mid-sixties as the third best one lapper out of
>Arizona State Univ. - behind Henry Carr and Ulis
>Williams.>>

Actually, the Ron Freeman who was No. 3 behind Carr and Williams on the Arizona State 4x440y WR team in '63 (usally called Ron Freeman I) is no relation to the ASU Ron Freeman who ran on the Oly relay in '68 (usually called Ron Freeman II).

Trivia question: who was the fourth man on the '63 team?
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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby dj » Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:57 am

Since almost 20 hours has gone by, I'll answer. The fourth man on the '63 ASU relay was Mike Barrick.

As for the two Ron Freemans: Both went to Jefferson High School, RFI in Los Angeles, RFII in Elizabeth, N.J.
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How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:34 pm

Lee Evans to John Smith to Alberto Juantorena to Michael Johnson.

On the ladies side- Prerec to Quirot to Guevara to Joyner.

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Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

Postby Pego » Tue Sep 16, 2003 1:38 pm

If you want the ladies without the borders, Bijan
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#2 Bryzgina-Briscoe-Cheeseborough-Guevara
For the USA add Miles-Clark and Marion Jones to Briscoe and Cheese. There would be yet a few others I would run on such a relay ahaed of Flo-Jo as good as she was.
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