>Forget heavyweights since you can't seem to
>separate heavys from the past from modern day big
>heavys like Frazier, Ali, Liston, Tyson, Lewis
>(superheavy in my book), Holyfield, etc., How
>does Marciano compare to fighters his size
>180-190? Everyone will agree that RJJ is better.
>Is it safe to say that he's the 2nd greatest
>180-195 lb fighter ever?
Why do you think Liston and Ali are from the modern era and Marciano is the old era?Liston was fighting professionally as a heavyweight when Marcaino was champ..Ali's first pro fight was just 4 yrs after Marcaino retired...Frazier turned pro just 8 yrs after Marciano retired...Foreman 12 yrs..They are the same era...If you were talking about Corbett or Fritsimmons,I would agree competely different era..Marcaino was a freak in my opinion..A HW with a 68 in reach...Most middleweights have a longer reach than that...I think that was a major disadvantage for him..He was too easy to hit and cut..For a guy with a 68 in reach that was 180 lb he was great..He was great at 180 lbs period..But the great big guy beats the great little guy every time...I'm also not totally convinced about his chin..He maybe had a iron jaw but never fought a really big puncher to prove it..Look at Ali, he took the best from Liston,Foreman,Lyle,Shavers and Frazier without being KOd..Maybe Marcaino had a chin like that but there's no proof of it.I do find it funny you think Marcaino was one of the greatest HW of alltime but couldn't beat Roy Jones Jr.
Thorpe is surely a legitimate contender. Mathias played football -- for a Rose Bowl team, indeed -- and baketball, I think, in high school. Johnson probably could have done anything and maybe Thompson too, but they (and Mathias) were basically track and field athletes. I'll stick with Robinson. I wouldn't be so sure about the NBA, by the way. In his years he was better than anybody else in the PCC.
I'm not sure anyone under 220 could beat Roy Jones. The way I look at it boxing in the 60's started a whole new era of bigger champions, better fighters and more $. Look at the fighters..Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Norton, Ali, etc. A whole new breed of fighting began then. There have been several different eras in boxing; I think the mid-90's started a new era, the superheavy era - Golota, Bowe, Klitschko bros, Lewis, etc.
Here are some other great all-arounders: CB Fry (pro cricket & long jump world record), Seve Bobrov (played for Russian national hockey and soccer team), Bob Hayes, Deion Sanders, Ernie Nevers, Gareth Edwards (rugby, track), Eric Heiden (cycling, speed skating), Lionel Conacher, Bo Jackson and let's not forget the greatest athlete of the 19th century Donald Dinnie (track, weightlifting and wrestling)
Pardon me but there is a huge difference to us Brits (English, Scottish, Welsh & N. Irish). An analogy would be if a Scot won the heavyweight championship we English would be proud of him as a Brit; if he lost horribly he'd be a useless Scotsman! (Lennox is a bit tricky, almost had to be re-classified as a Canadian on Saturday).
Seriously though, what record did he have? Not doubting you a la Sprintman, I'm just curious. Was it a HS one? He was a great rugby player, possibly the best ever. However, here's another piece of trivia...he's a fisherman and used to also hold the British Pike record, 45Lb 6oz (I think) in about 1989.
>(Lennox is a bit tricky, almost had to
>re-classified as a Canadian
You mean like the way Ben
>Johnson went from being the pride of Canada to a
>scummy Jamaican immigrant?
Guess Rusedski got
>reclassified yesterday at Wimbledon too, right?
Yep...you got it! I don't think Rusedski has been accepted like Lennox though, probably because he's never won anything. Mind you, at least Lennox was born in the UK and lived there until he was 12. I've watched that fight 3 times now and think Lennox would have wacked Klitscho within another two rounds. Hope Mr. Boxing Guru isn't reading this and we're subjected to yet another history lesson and how useless Lennox is.
One more thing...I remember the time that NBC had televised some kind of little dinner for the athletes during one of the first World Champs and they went around the table asking people like Carl Lewis about their favorite athletes. They got to John Walker, and he replied, "Secretariat".