Nippon Stepping


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Nippon Stepping

Postby BusterZanga » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:36 pm

Anybody else puzzled about Japanese intermediate hurdlers? They're fast (Nippon all-time IH knocks you down), they're marginal (one global medalist, Dai Tamesue, plus one global finalist, Kazuhiko Yamazaki) and if you don't read this (苅部俊) you don't know what the heck.

JAPAN ALL-TIME IH, SUB-49:
47.89 Dai Tamesue 2001
47.93 Kenji Narisako 2006
48.26 Kazuhiko Yamazaki 1999
48.34 Shunji Karube 1997
48.41 Takayuki Kishimoto 2012
48.58 Kazuhiko Yamazaki 1995
48.64 Yoshihiko Saito 1998
48.65 Yoshihiro Chiba 2001
48.66 Masahira Yoshikata 2005
48.84 Hideaki Kawamura 2000
48.85 Ken Yoshizawa 2004
48.95 Kazya Shogata 2005

One. Ain't too many countries beating that list. Ain't too many t&f events in Japan looking that good. Ain't nobody explaining any of it. Inside the country connections and themes; coaches, club teams, schools, regions, dude values, anything? We're all ears.

Two. Shouldn't a nation squeeze more than two WC bronzes out of a bunch like that? The Far East season (April-May, September-October) is far-out/off-step and kinky enuff but it can't be the whole hole story. Japan is wasting more IH talent than the US college monster.
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Re: Nippon Stepping

Postby houstonian » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:43 pm

Very astute observation. Very subtle topic.
International athletics is rife with respectable one-event national lists, which fail to be validated by actual performance at international championships.
IMO, this can be viewed as a developmental issue. It is a fairly common phenomenon for a nation to "cluster" several good performances on the freindly home turf, before they are ready to take that act abroad and win medals systematically. It takes a bit of a performance breakthrough, to liberate national performance at the biggest stages. This is one of the defining differences between world track "powers" and world "list makers".

Acquiring a deep national list is the first step in world achievement. World medal consisitencey is the final stage in that ongoing struggle, among a nations coaches, athletes and federations. It is a hard road, man. Build depth , the thinking goes, and the medals will come. But that is not the way it necessarily goes...........

Example: Finnish javelin depth and the Finnish javelin list, are both superior to their international medal haul, particularly in recent decades.

others that come to mind, as I discuss this elusive thread:
China 1500m (W)
Germany Decathlon
Russia 400m -- good, i know. But acheivement seems to fall short of list depth.

i am sure there are even better examples.
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Re: Nippon Stepping

Postby JumboElliott » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:56 am

They don't have that many medals at international championships because Americans taking two or more of the medals in the intermediate hurdles is a frequent occurence, and there have been multiple American sweeps at the event.
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Re: Nippon Stepping

Postby norunner » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:50 am

BusterZanga wrote:Two. Shouldn't a nation squeeze more than two WC bronzes out of a bunch like that? The Far East season (April-May, September-October) is far-out/off-step and kinky enuff but it can't be the whole hole story. Japan is wasting more IH talent than the US college monster.
This is the german all-time top 10 for the PV:
6,01 Björn Otto 2012
6,00 Tim Lobinger 1997
5,95 Andrej Tiwontschik 1996
5,95 Michael Stolle 2000
5,93 Danny Ecker 1998
5,91 Malte Mohr 2012
5,91 Raphael Holzdeppe 2012
5,85 Richard Spiegelburg 2001
5,85 Lars Börgeling 1979 2002
5,81 Fabian Schulze 2006
5,81 Alexander Straub 2008

For the last 15 years only the USA had more depth in the PV than Germany, yet before Moscow this year all we got at WCs was ONE bronze medal. Israel had a better medal count in the PV than Germany. Does it make sense? Not really, which is the point.
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