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Rudolf Harbig

Postby norunner » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:28 am

Rudolf Harbig was born 100 years ago today. There is a great article about him on Leichathletik.de, which among other things describes in detail the 1:46.6 WR race from 1939. It's in German, i assume translating tools do an adequate job, if not let me know, i could summarize in English if there is interest: http://www.leichtathletik.de/index.php? ... wsID=45265
According to the article Harbig ran 23 races in 56 days in july and august of 1939, which to me sounds like complete madness. Part 2 of the article will be released tomorrow on the same webpage.
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby Per Andersen » Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:29 pm

Danke sehr, norunner! That was great. I will certainly read the rest to-morrow. Harbig was certainly an amazing athlete. Not only the 3 WRs, 400,800 and 1000. but the speed he possessed! 10.6 and 21.5 in 1939 when the top time in the world was 21.0.
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby jmd » Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:55 am

Danke schön norunner, this article is very interesting !

Rudolph Harbig was born the same year than my father, who told me
how impressive he really was !
Sure that 10.6, 21.5, 46 and 1.46.6 were top performances, more than
70 years earlier and he was a beautiful runner !
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby norunner » Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:38 am

Part 2 is online, including his 46.0 WR. Just for comparison: This year, the german 400m title was won with 46.07s, second place 46.54s, 74 years after his WR Harbig would still be good enough to be among the best in Germany. Depending on your view, it shows what a huge (and wasted) talent he was, or how pathetic german 400m sprinting is nowadays.
http://www.leichtathletik.de/index.php? ... wsID=45285
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby user4 » Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:28 am

norunner wrote:Part 2 is online, including his 46.0 WR. Just for comparison: This year, the german 400m title was won with 46.07s, second place 46.54s, 74 years after his WR Harbig would still be good enough to be among the best in Germany. Depending on your view, it shows what a huge (and wasted) talent he was, or how pathetic german 400m sprinting is nowadays.
http://www.leichtathletik.de/index.php? ... wsID=45285


If Harbig were racing today that 2012 German 400m title would be won about a 44 flat.
Nevertheless a 10.6 and 20.5 from a guy in the 1939s training as a 400-800m man seems just a bit suspect. Id like to hear Per weigh in on that.
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby norunner » Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:25 pm

user4 wrote:
norunner wrote:Part 2 is online, including his 46.0 WR. Just for comparison: This year, the german 400m title was won with 46.07s, second place 46.54s, 74 years after his WR Harbig would still be good enough to be among the best in Germany. Depending on your view, it shows what a huge (and wasted) talent he was, or how pathetic german 400m sprinting is nowadays.
http://www.leichtathletik.de/index.php? ... wsID=45285


If Harbig were racing today that 2012 German 400m title would be won about a 44 flat.
Nevertheless a 10.6 and 20.5 from a guy in the 1939s training as a 400-800m man seems just a bit suspect. Id like to hear Per weigh in on that.
21.5, not 20.5. If Harbig was racing today, he would be trained by the same coaches that have failed to improve our 400m runners for 20 years now. In the last 20 years ONE german ran below 45s, during that period about 15 brits managed the same thing. Considering the UK has no NCAA and many of those 44s runners were white there is obviously something they are doing right in the UK and are doing very wrong in Germany. I think if Kirani James was german he wouldn't be running below 45s either.
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby deanouk » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:39 am

Amazing talent and fascinating person. I wonder how much faster he could have run at 800 had WW2 not happened?
He could have held the record for 20+ years!
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby Per Andersen » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:54 pm

deanouk wrote:Amazing talent and fascinating person. I wonder how much faster he could have run at 800 had WW2 not happened?
He could have held the record for 20+ years!

I'm thinking the same. Had been able to train and compete as he could in 1939 I think he could have improved. He had to report to the Army in 1940 and was based in Braunschweig from 1941. He could still compete in some meets but he was never in the same shape as in '39. But even in 1942 he could still run the 200 in 21.7 and the 800 in 1.51,9. He was 29 in 1942 but he came late to the sport. He was a Handball player before he started running in 1934 at age 21. In Berlin 1936 he won bronze in the 4X400 but stomach problems stopped him in the 800.

In a more perfect world there is no WW2 and Harbig and Woodruff meet in a series of races during the early 40's in Europe. Sub 1.46. Lanzi could set them up :)
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby norunner » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:27 am

Or he could have suffered from burnout in 1940, 23 races in 56 days in 1939 doesn't sound like sane planning.
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby gh » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:33 am

Per Andersen wrote:….

In a more perfect world there is no WW2 and Harbig and Woodruff meet in a series of races during the early 40's in Europe. Sub 1.46. Lanzi could set them up :)


in a more-perfect world Wariner moves up to the 800 and….. :twisted:
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby Per Andersen » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:21 pm

norunner wrote:Or he could have suffered from burnout in 1940, 23 races in 56 days in 1939 doesn't sound like sane planning.

Pretty much like Gunder Hagg did in 1942. They did things differently back then. There is no burn-out in a perfect world :D
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Re: Rudolf Harbig

Postby kevinsdad » Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:58 pm

Per Andersen wrote:
In a more perfect world there is no WW2 and Harbig and Woodruff meet in a series of races during the early 40's in Europe. Sub 1.46. Lanzi could set them up :)


Some might say "In a more perfect world there is no WW2 and 60 million people would not have met needless, horrible deaths," but we track fans have to keep a better perspective on things. :D
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