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200 meter low hurdles

Postby cecil9sm » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:46 pm

Has there been any effort to bring back the low hurdles? I think the existing records are Don Styron, 21.9 on straightaway and Glenn Davis, 22.5 on the curve. Other sports are always trying new events at the Olympics (witness skiing, snowboarding) why not track?
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby DoubleRBar » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:09 pm

I wouldn't be against it and I would also like to see at least one more relay added to the Olympic/World Championship program. How about the 8 X 200 relay?
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby Daisy » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:48 pm

I think Oxford and Cambridge still have the low hurdles at their annual meet. I remember seeing Jon Ridgeon run it at Iffley Road.
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby KDFINE » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:55 am

I know that I've commented on this at least once before. I'd love to see it run again as it gives high hurdlers, intermediate hurdlers, and even sprinters a chance to mix it up on neutral ground.
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby paw » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:55 am

the list of the 200m/220y low hurdles with/and without turn:

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_200hok.htm
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby James Fields » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:04 am

cecil9sm wrote,
I think the existing records are Don Styron, 21.9 on straightaway and Glenn Davis, 22.5 on the curve.


Martin Lauer of Germany ran 22.5 for 200m low hurdles turn on 7 July 1959 at Zurich.
Glenn Davis of USA ran 22.5 for 200m low hurdles turn on 20 August 1960 at Berne.

Source:
Official List of Track & Field World Records recognized by the IAAF as at 31 December 1974.
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby bambam » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:12 pm

paw wrote:the list of the 200m/220y low hurdles with/and without turn:

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_200hok.htm


So 22.55 is the current world best.

Whaddya think it would be if it was a widely-contested event and the top 110HH/400IH and 200 sprinters ran it???
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby gh » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:42 pm

I think any modern pro hurdler whose livelihood requires being tuned to a fine edge does him/herself nothing but harm by working on a different stride pattern over a different-height hurdle. Bad idea all around
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby Daisy » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:55 pm

paw wrote:the list of the 200m/220y low hurdles with/and without turn:

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_200hok.htm

I was surprised to see John Regis on that list. I had no idea he was a hurdler.
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby gh » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:36 pm

Not to denigrate the good hurdlers who historically did well in the event, but having run it once in high school, my take is that it was an event for sprinters that happened to have a few bumps on the course. Speed ate up hurdling talent every day.
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby Marlow » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:54 pm

gh wrote:Not to denigrate the good hurdlers who historically did well in the event, but having run it once in high school, my take is that it was an event for sprinters that happened to have a few bumps on the course. Speed ate up hurdling talent every day.

My senior (HS) year I ran it in practice for the 180LH, in 24.7 - better than I thought I would - our discontinued SR was 25.3. I was only 3rd fastest sprinter on the team (10.4y/23.0y), so I was very grateful for an event that I could win. It helped that my stride length was exactly right for the 20y spacing.
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby rhymans » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:10 am

This is how the all-time list for the low hurdles on a straight looks. Notice that Styron had 9 of the top 18 performances at the time the event died a death (1962). While the event was beneficial to sprinters (Sime) it was more of a hurdlers event - only Dillard (who also happened to be the best High Hurdler) was also a world class sprinter, though Roberson was a 9.5y man. As hurdlers tend to be the most co-ordinated of athletes I would probably disagree with GH that the event (on a straight or curve) was likely to damage 110 hurdlers [though I have no evidence for such a statement]


220y Hurdles Straight course
21.9m 1.4 Don Styron USA 18Mar40 178/67 1 Baton Rouge 2/4/60
22.1m Elias Gilbert USA 14Jan36 180/70 1 Raleigh 17/5/58
22.1m -0.9 Styron 1 Modesto 28/5/60
22.1m Styron 1 Modesto 27/5/61
22.2m 1.4 Dave Sime USA 25Jul36 188/84 1 Durham 5/5/56
22.2m 1.3 Ancel Robinson USA 12Sep33 180/70 1 Austin 15/6/57
22.2m Calvin Cooley USA 2Apr39 180/79 1 Abilene 16/4/60
22.2m Styron 1 Natchitoches 12/5/60
22.2m Styron 1 Compton 3/6/60
22.2m Styron 1 Dayton 3/6/61
22.3mA Harrison Dillard USA 8Jul23 178/70 1 Salt Lake City 21/6/47
22.3m Robinson 1 Fresno 25/4/57
22.3m Fran Washington USA 1Feb36 187/79 2 Raleigh 17/5/58
22.3m Dick Howard USA 22Aug35 185/80 2 Abilene 16/4/60
22.3m Styron 1 Baton Rouge 23/4/60
22.3m Styron 1 Lake Charles, LA 21/5/60
22.3m Styron 1 Logan 13/5/61
22.3m Irvin "Bo" Roberson USA 23Jul35 185/84 2 Modesto 27/5/61
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby James Fields » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:59 am

Nice list, posted by Rhymans, for 200m / 220 yd hurdles including
22.3mA Harrison Dillard USA 8Jul23 178/70 1 Salt Lake City 21/6/47.

I was in the Salt Lake City stadium and saw Dillard's 1947 win which, at that time, was to me the most remarkable athletics effort I had seen. I remember the altitude uncomfortably after jogging there.

But some things fade as now I don't remember it being a metric (22.3m) event. I thought the NCAA standard of that era was yards, not meters about which I was then unfamiliar. The 1952 USA Olympic Trials was probably my first look at metric distances.
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby gh » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:15 pm

in this instance m=manual time.

Every NCAA Champs half-lap hurdle race ever run was at yards.
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby eiluke » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:26 pm

Which 200m guys from today would be able to remain below the 22.55 of Laurent Ottoz?
And (yes hypothetical) I'd further like to know how fast a healthy Merrit would have been able to run the 200 hurdles in 2012
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby gh » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:39 pm

forget Merritt; remember that Carl Lewis was a hurdler early in his career. And might not have been the best Jersey prospect: that would be Skeets.
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby eiluke » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:34 pm

How fast has Carl Lewis been?
Must have been very early in highschool e.g. since athlestats hasn't listed him among those hurdlers that put up times below 14.00 over the 110 hurdles
http://www.athlestats2010.izihost.com/F ... 0mh_at.pdf

Maybe Tremmel would have been slightly faster over the 200 hurdles, but as for Merrit, let's not forget that it is virtually impossible to run 110 hurdles in 12.80 if you do not have a speed below 10.10 over the 100m (probably even faster)
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Re: 200 meter low hurdles

Postby Jackaloupe » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:04 pm

Marlow recalls, doubtless errantly: "My senior (HS) year I ran it in practice for the 180LH, in 24.7 - better than I thought I would - our discontinued SR was 25.3. I was only 3rd fastest sprinter on the team (10.4y/23.0y)"

Marlow, Surely that was a 220 yd. time as I can assure you a 10.4 100 yd. time would put you well down into 21s for the 180 LH. That's what I was running as a young (14) Frosh, and never went over 22. As a Soph, I ran behind Elias Gilbert (19.8) at the Englewood Relays (NJ), 20.5. I'd typically run mid-25s in the 220 LH in NJ All-comers meets in Elizabeth, sometimes against Dave Sime, who'd turned up for the 100.

Note that both Elias and Fran Washington were coached by Hurdler's Bible author, Wilbur Ross, at Winston Salem (NC). Ross also recruited Russ Rogers from NJ, a hotbed of HS hurdling back then, starting w/ Milt Campbell at Plainfield (1950-53). As I've posted before, Elias was right behind Milt at Compton when they ran 13.4 & 13.5 respectively, to tie (?) Jack Davis's WR.
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