4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics


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4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby AFTERBURNER » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:34 pm

Does anyone know if the US 4x100m team that won gold in world record time of 38.24 in Mexico City Olympics on 20 October 1968 is available on youtube?

Thanks in advance
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby Dixon » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:38 pm

It's not.

Would love to have seen Tommie Smith anchoring that team.
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby paw » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:55 am

it's now on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/cf8XfiFeG_A
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby Marlow » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:11 am

Tanx!
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby user4 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:03 pm

The old war horse Figuerola did pretty good ! I think the US '72 team would have beaten the '68 team.
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby rsb2 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:44 pm

Some of you may know that the USA team was beaten by the USA B team, 3 weeks before the 1968 Olympics, in Victoria, B.C.
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby Dixon » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:01 pm

rsb2 wrote:Some of you may know that the USA team was beaten by the USA B team, 3 weeks before the 1968 Olympics, in Victoria, B.C.


A "B" team in 1968? Smith, Carlos, Questad and Clayton?
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby rsb2 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:33 pm

Charlie Mays to Larry Questad to John Carlos to Tommie Smith - just a little fun team ;)
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby Dixon » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:46 pm

rsb2 wrote:Charlie Mays to Larry Questad to John Carlos to Tommie Smith - just a little fun team ;)


Didn't Smith run Hines down?
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby rsb2 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:44 pm

Indeed he did. Hines had a clear lead when he got the stick, something close to 2 metres. Then he gained a bit more over the first 20-30 metres before Tommie hit full speed, and passed Hines in the last few metres. Probably made up close to 3 metres over 70 metres, on the "World's Fastest Man". This would also be my answer to the greatest relay I have ever seen.
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby Dixon » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:58 pm

rsb2 wrote:Indeed he did. Hines had a clear lead when he got the stick, something close to 2 metres. Then he gained a bit more over the first 20-30 metres before Tommie hit full speed, and passed Hines in the last few metres. Probably made up close to 3 metres over 70 metres, on the "World's Fastest Man". This would also be my answer to the greatest relay I have ever seen.


Imagine Tommie at 27-30 even back then, I have no doubts he's beating Borzov in 72.

If he were running today at 28 or so, what....?
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby user4 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:08 am

Dixon wrote:Imagine Tommie at 27-30 even back then, I have no doubts he's beating Borzov in 72.

If he were running today at 28 or so, what....?


I have no doubt that Tommie at 25 years (age at Mexico City) has a solid chance to beat Borzov at 22 (age at Munich)..and all things being equal I would probably bet he does, but it is close. I doubt however that it is obvious that Tommie at 29 beats Borzov at 22... I just dont see that, Tommie was a bit frail, that was not going to improve with age. His time at his best in Mexico City properly adjusted rates approx equal to Borzov's in Munich, and Borzov was running the 100/200 double with 4 rounds to each.
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby rsb2 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:43 pm

My opinion - Tommie, at his best, beats Borzov over 200 m., not even close.
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby Dixon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:14 pm

user4 wrote:
Dixon wrote:Imagine Tommie at 27-30 even back then, I have no doubts he's beating Borzov in 72.

If he were running today at 28 or so, what....?


I have no doubt that Tommie at 25 years (age at Mexico City) has a solid chance to beat Borzov at 22 (age at Munich)..and all things being equal I would probably bet he does, but it is close. I doubt however that it is obvious that Tommie at 29 beats Borzov at 22... I just dont see that, Tommie was a bit frail, that was not going to improve with age. His time at his best in Mexico City properly adjusted rates approx equal to Borzov's in Munich, and Borzov was running the 100/200 double with 4 rounds to each.


Tommie had that 400m endurance to go with 9.3/10.1 speed. I have no doubts he's running a sub20.00 in Munich, none.
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby Dixon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:14 pm

rsb2 wrote:My opinion - Tommie, at his best, beats Borzov over 200 m., not even close.

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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby user4 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:10 pm

Dixon wrote:
user4 wrote:
Dixon wrote:Imagine Tommie at 27-30 even back then, I have no doubts he's beating Borzov in 72.

If he were running today at 28 or so, what....?


I have no doubt that Tommie at 25 years (age at Mexico City) has a solid chance to beat Borzov at 22 (age at Munich)..and all things being equal I would probably bet he does, but it is close. I doubt however that it is obvious that Tommie at 29 beats Borzov at 22... I just dont see that, Tommie was a bit frail, that was not going to improve with age. His time at his best in Mexico City properly adjusted rates approx equal to Borzov's in Munich, and Borzov was running the 100/200 double with 4 rounds to each.


Tommie had that 400m endurance to go with 9.3/10.1 speed. I have no doubts he's running a sub20.00 in Munich, none.


Tommie at his best , likely , tommie at 29 , I dont see that .
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby Dixon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:29 pm

user4 wrote:
Dixon wrote:
user4 wrote:
Dixon wrote:Imagine Tommie at 27-30 even back then, I have no doubts he's beating Borzov in 72.

If he were running today at 28 or so, what....?


I have no doubt that Tommie at 25 years (age at Mexico City) has a solid chance to beat Borzov at 22 (age at Munich)..and all things being equal I would probably bet he does, but it is close. I doubt however that it is obvious that Tommie at 29 beats Borzov at 22... I just dont see that, Tommie was a bit frail, that was not going to improve with age. His time at his best in Mexico City properly adjusted rates approx equal to Borzov's in Munich, and Borzov was running the 100/200 double with 4 rounds to each.


Tommie had that 400m endurance to go with 9.3/10.1 speed. I have no doubts he's running a sub20.00 in Munich, none.


Tommie at his best , likely , tommie at 29 , I dont see that .


As we all know we've seen high schoolers peak out and 30 plus Olympic gold medalists. We have no idea where Tommie would have beeen at 29.
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Re: 4x100m, (USA), 38.24, 1968 Olympics

Postby user4 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:28 am

Dixon wrote:
user4 wrote: Tommie at his best , likely , tommie at 29 , I dont see that .


As we all know we've seen high schoolers peak out and 30 plus Olympic gold medalists. We have no idea where Tommie would have beeen at 29.


Good point.
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