im just saying watch him. i dont think thats unreasonable. from the info we have we know he didnt hyperbolized or imbellish, he flat out lied. almost all liars are just that, liars. but when it comes to entrusting someones child to a man who isnt who he says he is i say error on the side of caution. he's probably just a liar but wouldnt you be a little worried if it was your child this man was watching. i would assume the checked his past and he looks cool?
<<If we can ever find the time in this horridly busy year, we'll post a file we have which has not only the top 8 finishers in each Olympic event, but also an appending of what the U.S. team members did if not in that 8.
I know it might take up alot of storage space, but perhaps we need a list of everyone who didn't make an Olympic team
squackee, if you read back through this thread from last year, you'll see that I offered the same cautionary suggestion...this one seemed quite a bit more than the typical cocktail party BS'er. Plus, at some point, he had divulged that in his regular job, he "worked with children."
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The first link is to a list of Illinois state masters records, showing a Dick Ortzman with an age 55-59 LJ mark of 16'7" in 1994. The second link is an obituary this last May for a Richard Ortzman in Alto Michigan. According to the obit he was a former Marine Seargent (picture in uniform included) who served on the U.S.S. Essex and competed in and worked at senior olympic events. I guess this thread can RIP.
It states: "Former Olympian" (paragraph 2, line 2). I don't think so; she placed 4th in the 1980 Trials per the USATF book and I didn't see that she competed in any other Trials.
The stated high jump rankings ("2nd in the nation and 10th in the world") are bogus, unless the reference is to some unknown rankings system. T&FN only ranked her among the top 10 in the US twice; 9th in 1976 and 6th in 1980. T&FN never ranked her among the top 10 in the world.
I don't know about the H.S. state champ claims.
Finally, a birthdate of 1965? She was attending Cal State U. Northridge and competing for them as a high jumper 1978-1979 (per the 1980 US Olympic Trials Media Guide) so there appears to be some fudging in her age. Also, since she was the 9th ranked U.S. high jumper in 1976, that's rather unlikely for someone only 11 years old! I think that she was probably born in Sept. 1960.
I suppose Kari Gosswiller can't be called a "track liar," because her IMDb bio was written by someone else. Attempts to correct the known errors with IMDb have been unsuccessful.
Her best year was 1980, when she finished 4th in the U.S. Olympic Trials, 5th in the TAC champs, 5th in the AIAW, and was ranked #6 American by T&FN. She was a soph at Cal State Northridge that year and set a PR of 1.83/6-0, then transferred to UCLA.
She graduated form Upland (Ca) High School in 1978 with a high school best of 5-10.75. She was the California State High School champ in '76 and '77, with winning marks of 5-10 (meet record) and 5-9, respectively.
Ms. Gosswiller lying about her age is not surprising at all. The entertainment industry both tolerates and encourages such casual lying. This may change in the era of the Internet, but it hasn't yet-- I know of one very well known celebrity, whose name you folks would almost surely recognize, who does the exact same thing Ms. Gosswiller does with respect to her age. The funny thing is, this person was appearing on a number of television programs in bikinis(!) at a time when she would have been 14 or 15 years old if her current "age" is to be believed. I am sure that most knowledgeable people in the industry know this, but nobody corrects her on her age.
There's been stories of people lying about winning the Medal of Honor and other military honors, serving in military special forces, etc. I believe Bill O'Reilly once said he "got into some firefights" while "serving", when in fact he was referring to his tenure as a war correspondent in the Falkland Islands! People have been doing this since forever, and thankfully the Internet makes it easier to expose these folks.
Re: Show Biz Birthdates. I've got a good friend (and a former high school pole vaulter) who is now a semi-famous actor. Both IMBD and Wikipedia show his birthdate with the incorrect year in order to make him younger. He swears that the revisions were done by the producers of the TV show he is associated with... and he is not eager to correct them because he is a highly paid employee who doesn't want to make waves over minor stuff.