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1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby ed gee » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:36 am

If the link cannot stay up, search the following at youtube:

1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine, Marty Liquori, Frank Shorter - 2 miles - Hawaii

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9fmOY7YWMg
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:15 am

Great stuff. Never seen that before.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby Brian » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:55 pm

No shame to finish 4th in this race!
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby runforlife » Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:04 pm

Conor Dary wrote:Great stuff. Never seen that before.

Agreed!! That was awesome.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:30 pm

This was the race that earned Prefontaine a spot on the AAU team that summer.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby ed gee » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:36 pm

Please elaborate.

Prefontaine was 4th in the AAU three mile, but was the third US finisher and was named to the national team. Initially, he was an alternate, but still a team member.

1. Tracy Smith (So. Cal. Striders) 13:18.4
2. Gerry Lindgren (unattached) 13:18.4
3. Juan Martinez (Mex--Unattached) 13:35.6
4. Steve Prefontaine (Marshfield HS) 13:43.0
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby wamego relays champ » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:49 am

ed gee wrote:If the link cannot stay up, search the following at youtube:

1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine, Marty Liquori, Frank Shorter - 2 miles - Hawaii

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9fmOY7YWMg


Not sure about the youtube license, but the source of the video was this site, which apparently is an authorized licensor.

http://www.historicfilms.com/search/?type=all&q=tele-1236#p1t24800i0o3393

They have the entire CBS Sports broadcast (57 minutes including vintage commercials), fully indexed. Great to climb into the time machine for a while for a dose of Jack Whitaker, Dick Bank and Ralph Boston!

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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby paw » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:53 am

I just saw, that Gerry Lindgren had a comment on that very race :

http://www.onceuponatimeinthevest.blogspot.dk/

by the way Historic Films are also on YouTube
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby paw » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:35 am

Gerry Lindgren etc. were doing some fine training sessions on Hawaii, because some 19 days later three of the runners did some fine performances in the meeting in Stuttgart, where
the US team (or was it an North American team?) was up against a team from Europe:


1500m: Marty Liquori 3.37.2 before Arese, from Italy 3.37.6
(Liquori's time was the best in the world in 1969)

5000m Gerry Lindgren 13.38.4 before Jürgen May 13.40.8 and no.3 Steve Prefontaine 13.52.8

(May had the second best time in the world that year in 13.33.0 _ Dick Taylor had the best of the year in 13.29.00)

The World Rankings for 1500 in 1969: No.1 Marty Liquori

do. for 5000m in 1969: No.5 Jürgen May (but I can't find Gerry Lindgren among the first 10, I wonder why?)
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby kuha » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:37 pm

paw wrote:Gerry Lindgren etc. were doing some fine training sessions on Hawaii, because some 19 days later three of the runners did some fine performances in the meeting in Stuttgart, where the US team (or was it an North American team?) was up against a team from Europe


Odd that these guys would have flown so far west to train, before having to fly all the way over to Europe. But, I guess they were tougher then.

This footage really is cool. I can't recall seeing it at all at the time on TV--which is one reminder of how much track (relatively speaking) was broadcast.

I'm still waiting to see the footage of a much-hyped race that I remember vividly seeing on TV--almost certainly in 1969--a 2 mile match up between Ron Clarke and Jack Bachelor. The old man Clarke won pretty easily in (as I recall) 8:30.0. I have no idea where the race was run...
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby lovetorun » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:48 pm

I was thinking the same thing as I wathced the 2 mile...I've never been aware of that race...so it was that much more interesting since I didn't know the results! Lindgren looked very fluid and strong. He was a most amazing runner to me. This little unimpressive looking kid turns into a giant beater on the track.

I was surprized that Shorter and Liquori were never in the race.

Love these old films...good stuff.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby aaronk » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:37 pm

WOW!!!
What a friggin' CLASSIC video!!!

I came to it NOT through the above link....but through the Enyeart/Wohlhuter race link on the Mark Enyeart thread!!

Whatever, I found it!!!

WOWOWOWOWOW!!!

And you guys think I get excited by Mary Cain's exploits!!
Gerry Lindgren was my first running HERO and influence!!
And he REMAINS maybe my all time favorite T&F athlete!!

As for the race.....

Lindgren ran CRAZY splits.....all over the map....with surge after surge after surge!!
It was psychological warfare, Lindgren-style!!
That's how he beat the Russians....with that low-60's lap mid-way in the 10K!

I don't fault Pre for losing.
Gerry was a grizzled vet compared to Pre, just graduated from high school.

As for Shorter and Liquori, have no idea why they weren't in it.
Maybe they didn't like the climate in Hawaii.

BTW, note the DIRT track!! :D
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:41 pm

It's mentioned during the race that Liquori was battling a foot injury and there is always the possibility that Shorter and Liquori were just training through the race.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby kuha » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:01 pm

Dutra5 wrote:It's mentioned during the race that Liquori was battling a foot injury and there is always the possibility that Shorter and Liquori were just training through the race.


Liquori was pretty clearly just training and Shorter was not yet THE Frank Shorter we now know. He was just emerging on the national scene, having won the NCAA 6 mile just a few weeks earlier. Before that, his athletic resume during his Yale years was pretty thin.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:30 pm

kuha wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:It's mentioned during the race that Liquori was battling a foot injury and there is always the possibility that Shorter and Liquori were just training through the race.


Liquori was pretty clearly just training and Shorter was not yet THE Frank Shorter we now know. He was just emerging on the national scene, having won the NCAA 6 mile just a few weeks earlier. Before that, his athletic resume during his Yale years was pretty thin.


Hadn't he recently won the NCAA 6 mile championship at just a bit slower pace per mile than the 2 mile in Hawaii? I agree that he wasn't Frank Shorter yet but they appeared to be just pacing along rather than racing.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby ed gee » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:10 pm

IN 1969, Shorter won the NCAA six mile in 29;00.2 and was fourth in the AAU in 28;52.

His two mile PB was 8;46 at the time of the race in HI.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:48 am

Shorter was hardly a household name at the time. He was second to Ole Oleson in the 3 mile NCAA.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby paw » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:07 am

I just find another footage of Steve Prefontaine, which maybe could be of interest:

It's the 3 miles race from 1971 NCAA:
where Pre wins in 13.20.2 with Fredericks second in 13.28.00

http://www.t3licensing.com/video/clip/3 ... nd%20field
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby kuha » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:33 am

Conor Dary wrote:Shorter was hardly a household name at the time. He was second to Ole Oleson in the 3 mile NCAA.


Very true. I was in high school about 20 miles from New Haven at this time, and I'd hardly heard of Shorter AT ALL till his NCAA 6 mile win. By comparison, Burfoot (who graduated in 1968) was by far the biggest collegiate name in that area.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:19 am

kuha wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:Shorter was hardly a household name at the time. He was second to Ole Oleson in the 3 mile NCAA.


Very true. I was in high school about 20 miles from New Haven at this time, and I'd hardly heard of Shorter AT ALL till his NCAA 6 mile win. By comparison, Burfoot (who graduated in 1968) was by far the biggest collegiate name in that area.


After his 1968 Boston win, Burfoot was a big name nationally. Painter caps became very popular for a while in road races.
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Re: 1969 - Gerry Lindgren vs Steve Prefontaine...

Postby kuha » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:35 am

Conor Dary wrote:
kuha wrote:
Conor Dary wrote:Shorter was hardly a household name at the time. He was second to Ole Oleson in the 3 mile NCAA.


Very true. I was in high school about 20 miles from New Haven at this time, and I'd hardly heard of Shorter AT ALL till his NCAA 6 mile win. By comparison, Burfoot (who graduated in 1968) was by far the biggest collegiate name in that area.


After his 1968 Boston win, Burfoot was a big name nationally. Painter caps became very popular for a while in road races.


Marathons aside, in terms of national stature within the collegiate ranks, it's interesting to note that Burfoot got 6th in the NCAA X-C meet in both 1966 and 1967. Shorter's best was 19th in 1968, his senior year.
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