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Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby Mighty Favog » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:13 am

A question posed on ESPN Radio this morning:
If you could produce/direct your own 30 for 30 documentary, what subject would you select?

For this board, we're going to say your response has to be a track/field/road/cross/racewalking topic.

It only took me a few moments to come up with mine: the ITA of 1973-76. Plenty of interesting tales to tell, presumably footage of TV coverage is available, and most of the main characters are still around for interview.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby dbirds » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:18 pm

Very good one!

Other ideas:
Dan v Dave
Us vs Soviet Union dual meets in the 60s
The career of Renaldo Nehemiah (wr, boycott, wr, football career and return)
The remarkable and short career of Uwe Hohn and/or Valery Brumel
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby Marlow » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:47 pm

USA Men off the top of my head

Delano Merriwether
Houston McTear
Carl Lewis
San Jose State Speed Demons
Dave Wottle
Jim Ryun (Duh!)
Gabe Jennings!!
Alan Webb
Gerry Lindgren
Frank Shorter and Bill Rodgers
Skeets!
Edwin Moses
Fosbury
Pennel and Seagren
Beamon!
Matson and Oldfield
Oerter
Breaux Effin Greer!
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby cullman » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:21 pm

1966
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby gh » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:25 pm

dbirds wrote:....
The remarkable and short career of Uwe Hohn and/or Valery Brumel


Surprisingly enough, while Brumel's career was certainly cut short, in terms of longevity, he's actually among the event's best. He was World Ranked 6 times. The only guys with more (on a quick scan):

Sotomayor 14
Mögenburg 12
Sjöberg 11
Stones 11
Holm 10
Thränhardt 10
Rybakov 10
Petterson 9
Wszoła 9
Ni 8
Partyka 8
Smith 7
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby norunner » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:56 pm

-Ma Junren and his chinese army. Maybe the most controversial subject in T&F of the 90s.
-Henry Rono and his life between world records and alcohol.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby mcgato » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:15 pm

Primo Nebiolo and/or Ollan Cassell
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby mcgato » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:16 pm

cullman wrote:1966
???
Some detail would be appreciated for me, as I was 5 years old at the time. My history is only so good.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby norunner » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:29 pm

Probably not what he meant but 1966 was the year they introduced sex tests in international championships at the euros. And coincidently it was also the year several big names were absent from those euros, among them the Press "sisters" and Iolanda Balas.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby EastBayprepoftheweek67 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:41 pm

gh wrote:
dbirds wrote:....
The remarkable and short career of Uwe Hohn and/or Valery Brumel


Surprisingly enough, while Brumel's career was certainly cut short, in terms of longevity, he's actually among the event's best. He was World Ranked 6 times. The only guys with more (on a quick scan):

Sotomayor 14
Mögenburg 12
Sjöberg 11
Stones 11
Holm 10
Thränhardt 10
Rybakov 10
Petterson 9
Wszoła 9
Ni 8
Partyka 8
Smith 7

Add: Jesse Williams 7
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby Master Po » Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:59 pm

There are so many interesting possibilities --some I like a lot are already mentioned above, so I won't re-state them. Here are some others...

Wilma Rudolph (which would also provide opportunity to touch on the TSU Tigerbelles)

Bikila

Grete Waitz

Coe & Ovett

Nawal El Moutawakel
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby HopStepJump » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:46 pm

1968 200 meters
Impact of the Fosbury Flop
Soviet cheating in 1980
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby bijanc » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:43 pm

Best topic that has never been treated for a doc, or even serious hardcover trade book, is that of the Tigerbelles. Four women from one school on the U.S. Oly 4 x 100 team (are you kidding me).
Temple, the legacy, the unconventional recruiting finds, the Nashville sit-ins backdrop. (but don't tell anyone).
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby lovetorun » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:58 pm

BYU distance runners...most football fans know about the plethera of top notch quarterbacks at BYU...but the number of top class distance runners is quite remarkable.

But I love the many suggestions above...would love to see some more T & F 30 for 30. I've watched on Netflix the ones on Ben Johnson, and Marion Jones.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby cask1 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:09 pm

Terry Albritton
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby rhymans » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:03 am

Families of athletes

Imre and Miklos Nemeth
Glenn and Billy Hardin
Heide Rosendahl and Danny Ecker

The Sedykh family (Yuriy + 2 wives with OG gold medals and 2 daughters (by each of the wives) who are pretty good hammer throwers)
The Zatopeks

These are just a few, but the phenomena of husbands/wives children would have a general as well as a specific track interest.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby cullman » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:46 pm

mcgato wrote:
cullman wrote:1966
???
Some detail would be appreciated for me, as I was 5 years old at the time. My history is only so good.

It was a year that track and field was making the sports headlines with Jim Ryun's 880 yard and mile World Record's as well as being the beginning of Tommie Smith's record breaking spree.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:01 pm

cullman wrote:1966


Obviously, you are not English and there 1966 means only one thing. :lol:
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:54 pm

We each have our pet faves, so here's mine:

Ulis Williams (STILL my A-T fave 440/400 guy!)
Gerry Lindgren (But specifically about WHO he faced in 1964-65 --Roelants, Clarke, Schul, Kidd, the Russians, Mills.)
Mary Cain (Her SIX HSR's in one short indoor season!)
How the Kenyans developed into the Kings of Distance (NOT about training methods or diet, but the HISTORY, with names, times, years, US schools they attended, etc etc.)
Father-son and Mother-daughter athletes (the Centrowitz's, Cheryl Bridges (Treworgy) and Shalane Flanagan), also twins and siblings (Hannah and Haley Meier, Michael and Michelle Carter et al)
Daniel Komen's 7:58 two mile (He ran what Bannister did--TWICE without stopping!)

And add my support of the ITA as a GREAT subject!!
(Lindgren ran with them!!)

ADD:
Close...and controversial finishes: Tarmoh/Felix, Frazier/Finn (the indoor 5K), and.....?
Dual meets: Especially crosstown/state rivalries (USC/UCLA, WSU/UW, TX/A&M, UO/OSU, etc etc.)
How women have been treated in T&F (Especially in "modern" times, say, from 1972--Title IX-- on....regarding sexism, favoritism, events they compete in (and when they were introduced, i.e, the PV, HT, Mar, 5K, 10K, TJ, SC, etc.)
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby Dave » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:39 pm

1968 US Olympic T&F trials.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:42 pm

One more idea:

All the scandals/controversies:

the Black Power salute of Carlos/Smith in '68
Is a woman a woman?? (the Korean 800 runner--name??, Semenya, sex-testing at the OG, et al)
Suzy Favor Hamilton's "other life".
the Decker/Budd fiasco of '84
Rosie Ruiz "wins" Boston (HAHA!!)
the runner who entered the stadium before Shorter
the Israeli's massacred in Munich

and on and on.

Call it "Track and Field Babylon"!
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby batonless relay » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:06 am

most of the already mentioned would be Greenspan knock-offs or repeats. Ma's Army is a definite.

What if I told you ...?

-"that you too can be a sprinter?" -Bud Winter
-"that the best American miler was never the best American miler" -Steve Scott
-"Fast is all in your head" -Asafa Powell
-"Mary Mary quite contrary" -Mary Decker's rise and fall...and fall
-"Redemption...twice" - Felix Sanchez
-"I need a hand" -US fumbles in relays to 2012 4x1 WR
-"White Flight" -the continued abdication of running by white athletes
-"On your marks, ... [url=Daily News]http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/other-sports/suzy-favor-hamilton-new-york-post-cover-your-mark-get-set-ho[/url] -Suzy Favor Hamilton
-"Keshorn" - Keshorn Walcott
-"Emperor Liu" -Liu Xiang
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby bambam » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:02 pm

aaronk wrote:the runner who entered the stadium before Shorter



Norbert Sudhaus
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby dbirds » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:47 pm

Some great suggestions but 30 for 30 is a big mainstream show - the only track subjects are the big mainstream subjects like Marion, Ben, etc.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby einnod23 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:22 am

Carl Lewis is already in "9.79".

Tigerbelles would be a perfect Black History Month piece!

The 68 Trials is already taken by HBO (Fists of Freedom)

Dan v. Dave would be a good one.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby DecFan » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:28 am

dbirds wrote:the only track subjects are the big mainstream subjects like Marion, Ben, etc.


Topics that would recall a time when track was big and mainstream, and have enough controversy to make the show interesting:

USA vs Soviet Union series in early 60s
Wes Santee vs 4 min mile and AAU vs Wes Santee breaking the 4 minute mile
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby BBTM media » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:05 am

Tough to beat the below - only in America story:

Jim Ryun - HS phenom; sport's rock star for a period of time; Mile WRs; 1968 Olympic 1500m silver medalist; Dream Mile 1971 with Marty Liquori; 1972 Munich fall; later Congressman; 7 Sports Illustrated covers; ESPN.com selected Ryun as the best high school athlete ever over LeBron James and Tiger Woods.

Ryun snapshot bio: http://bringbackthemile.com/athletes/detail/jim_ryun
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby runforlife » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:12 pm

cullman wrote:1966

HS GOAT race!!
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby lonewolf » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:50 pm

Jim Ryun..
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby jhc68 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:43 pm

Lots of great topics here...
I'd combine Brumel and Yaschencko into one episode: the last two great straddlers whose careers were cut short and the agonizing aftermath for both men.
Then another duo: the relationship between Ter-O and Ralph Boston that transcended the cold War.
Then Santee vs. the AAU.
And certainly Lou Zamperini (unsubstanstiated web articles claim Angelina Jolie is signed on to direct a big screen film version of Unbroken).
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby cullman » Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:20 pm

John Thomas Valeri Brumel rivalry set during the Cold War. Hey, why not...they did one called Unmatched on the rivalry between Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova. :)

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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby Per Andersen » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:20 pm

Juantorena, the last of the great 400-800 types in the 800 (runners who competed in both events) Juantoreana, King of the low mileage guys.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby JumboElliott » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:08 am

State Plan 14.25 in East Germany, and World Records in women's athletics in general.
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby athleticshushmail » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:34 pm

The history of Jamaica's Champs event. The boys and girls championships. It would be interesting with lots of interviews.

I really like the idea of women's world records too, that would really be a great one.

Also the history of the 100m dash

And one on Nordic athletics
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Re: Choose a 30 for 30 subject

Postby Dixon » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:38 am

The...

Howard Drew
Eulace Peacock
Obea Moore
Jamaican 1948/1952 4x4 team
Jimmy Gordon
Jim Golliday
Allan Woodring
Lindy Remigino
Stella Walsh
Stone Johnson

...Story
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