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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby user4 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:06 pm

Pego wrote:
Marlow wrote:But as you know, there is never just one truth.


Never? No objective knowledge ever :shock: ?

(Sorry for a delayed response, I am slow at discovering these things :wink: ).


if so then is it the only truth ?, .. ever ?
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Daisy » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:44 pm

Marlow wrote: If we can't even know the truth of how (and more importantly, WHY) matter exists, what CAN we be sure of??!!

Well you're setting a pretty high bar for any truth if we have to know the WHY first.

Do you have to know all truth to know some truth? Is it not true that matter is made up of sub-atomic particles?
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby user4 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:49 pm

Daisy wrote:
Marlow wrote: If we can't even know the truth of how (and more importantly, WHY) matter exists, what CAN we be sure of??!!

Well you're setting a pretty high bar for any truth if we have to know the WHY first.

Do you have to know all truth to know some truth? Is it not true that matter is made up of sub-atomic particles?


what is a particle and why :) ..
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Daisy » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:01 pm

user4 wrote:what is a particle and why :) ..

Do we we need to know to see if it's subatomic? We can embrace our ignorance and still know something. ;)
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Pego » Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:19 pm

Marlow wrote:
Pego wrote:
Marlow wrote:But as you know, there is never just one truth.

Never? No objective knowledge ever :shock: ?

Just look at history and all the 'objective knowledge' they were sure they knew. This is little doubt that the current model of how matter exists (sub-atomic particles, quantum physics, etc.) will be replaced by something far more sophisticated in the future (a unified field theory chief among them). If we can't even know the truth of how (and more importantly, WHY) matter exists, what CAN we be sure of??!!


I did not say "all".
You said "none."
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Marlow » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:19 pm

Pego wrote:I did not say "all".
You said "none."

I'm of the mind (word-play?!) that human consciousness, in all its infinite (well, 7 billion right now) varieties, fundamentally bends all truths to its own ability to understand. Our knowledge of the what (and yes, how and why) matter is, IS indeed the basis for ALL truth. :shock:
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby user4 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:08 am

Pego, I think Marlow is trying, for the second time, to tell you that he has discovered the Truth.
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Marlow » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:19 am

user4 wrote:Pego, I think Marlow is trying, for the second time, to tell you that he has discovered the Truth.

ZACKLY! :D
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Pego » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:35 am

Marlow wrote:
user4 wrote:Pego, I think Marlow is trying, for the second time, to tell you that he has discovered the Truth.

ZACKLY! :D


Ain't metaphysics grand? Any mental gymnastics passes for a revealed light :roll: .
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Marlow » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:12 am

Pego wrote:Ain't metaphysics grand? Any mental gymnastics passes for a revealed light :roll: .

Since when is physics, metaphysics? You're the only looking for a single verifiable 'truth'. I'm just saying we ain't there yet (ever?).
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby kuha » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:52 am

Marlow wrote:
Pego wrote:Ain't metaphysics grand? Any mental gymnastics passes for a revealed light :roll: .

Since when is physics, metaphysics? You're the only looking for a single verifiable 'truth'. I'm just saying we ain't there yet (ever?).


:roll:
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Pego » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:58 am

Marlow wrote:
Pego wrote:Ain't metaphysics grand? Any mental gymnastics passes for a revealed light :roll: .

Since when is physics, metaphysics? You're the only looking for a single verifiable 'truth'. I'm just saying we ain't there yet (ever?).


So, if I say "Marlow is a TOE in Jacksonville", it is subject to individual interpretation? That is not a fact?
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Daisy » Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:17 am

Only a TOE if you look. He could be anything when you're not looking.
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby kuha » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:58 am

Daisy wrote:Only a TOE if you look. He could be anything when you're not looking.


Schroedinger's Toe.

By the way, the Sophists are calling; they want their arguments back.
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby user4 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:37 am

Marlow wrote:
Pego wrote:Ain't metaphysics grand? Any mental gymnastics passes for a revealed light :roll: .

Since when is physics, metaphysics? You're the only looking for a single verifiable 'truth'. I'm just saying we ain't there yet (ever?).


That is a major back pedal from what you said before. I mean if you are really such an accomplished philosopher you certainly did not change your mind that quickly... or did you ?

question for Pego: What is a TOE?
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Daisy » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:24 am

user4 wrote:What is a TOE?

Teacher of English
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby user4 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:26 am

Daisy wrote:
user4 wrote:What is a TOE?

Teacher of English
ok, everything makes perfect sense then.
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Daisy » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:27 am

kuha wrote:By the way, the Sophists are calling; they want their arguments back.

At least he's not charging us for these pearls of wisdom. :)
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby user4 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:55 am

Daisy wrote:
kuha wrote:By the way, the Sophists are calling; they want their arguments back.

At least he's not charging us for these pearls of wisdom. :)

where did you go to get your 5min back ?
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Daisy » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:26 am

user4 wrote:
Daisy wrote:
kuha wrote:By the way, the Sophists are calling; they want their arguments back.

At least he's not charging us for these pearls of wisdom. :)

where did you go to get your 5min back ?

Think of it this way, it was this thread or 'Fitted Kitchens in Huddersfield'
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby bambam » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:10 pm

In keeping with where this thread has gone, how about this philosophical gem:

If a tree falls in the forest, and there is nobody there to hear it - is the husband still wrong?
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby user4 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:47 pm

bambam wrote:In keeping with where this thread has gone, how about this philosophical gem:

If a tree falls in the forest, and there is nobody there to hear it - is the husband still wrong?


only if he is out picking choice timber for his hobby shop in instead of fetching firewood.
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Marlow » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:13 pm

So I spend the day in the blazing sun, officiating the UNF PV comps and I come back to this intellectual disrespect??!! I like it! :D Anyone that takes any of this hoohah seriously needs a check-up from the neck-up!
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby user4 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:31 pm

Marlow wrote:.. I like it! :D

you may not be a philosopher but you are a good man!
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Re: Pale Sprinters

Postby Marlow » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:49 pm

user4 wrote:
Marlow wrote:.. I like it! :D

you are a good man!

But . . . is that an objective fact . . . or merely a shadow of the truth . . . :wink:
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