White HS sprinters trivia


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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby dj » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:10 am

PDJ551 wrote: Mostyn was a fine sprinter, but a 9.3 was a bit quick, even for him.


If I'm remembering the story correctly, the entire field broke 10.0.

The odd thing I've never understood was why the there would have been a starting line drawn at 95 yards. Was it mismeasured? That's less common than a starter using the wrong line. But the only markings likely to have appeared at that point on the track would have been the marks for the second flight of the 120y high hurdles.

I don't recall hurdle marks being laid down as a solid line across the track.
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby gh » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:11 am

Not the only 95-yard race I've ever heard of.

Gotta remember that this was in the days when the (dirt) track had to be lined before every meet, and it certainly wasn't done by a surveyor. Heck, in many cases, probably done by the third assistant football coach, who read the markings on the curb and ran the hopper across the track. Can easily see a solid line going at a hurdle placing. After that he says, "oops; doesn't make any difference" and leaves it as such.
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby PDJ551 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:15 am

I never thought about the line at 95 yds. I do remember my father who was officiating at the meet saying that there were countless lines at the start. He took a look at the end of the meet, as he was handling the high jump that day. Mostyn had in fact broke 10 seconds in the 100 yd dash before that meet.

Getting slightly off the subject about markings on dirt tracks. On the same track, a little more than a decade later, the staggers in the two outside lanes were drastically off. I realized it early in the meet when I noticed the first two legs in the novice 880 relay in the outside legs running ridiculously fast 220s. In the finals of the 440 the two kids in the outside lanes both broke 50 seconds for the first time. In fact neither had broken 52 at that point. They were ecstatic. As a young assistant coach of the host track I held my tongue. As the season continued both runners went back to running 52 seconds. I spoke to one of the athletes the next week. His attitude was that he had done it once and he was determined to show that it wasn't a fluke. He ended up completing the season running 50 point. The next year he ran in the low 49s and maybe in the 48s. The other runner, a senior, got more frustrated as the season went on. He ended up running 53. The next year I told the first runner what had really happened. He ended up having a good laugh. I never did search out the second runner.

What I did learn was the importance of psychology in coaching and how different people perceive things. It was a great lesson for a young coach.
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby rickstephenson » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:13 pm

Jacksf wrote:Does anybody know anything about Wayne Johnson?

I believe he won the Texas State 5A 100 and 200 meter races in 1978.
I know he ran a 9.3 100y and 20.78 200m in high school. Obviously he had a lot of potential, but I'm not sure that he ever went to college, or even raced again.
Wayne went to the University of Texas and was scheduled to run in the 1980 Olympics with Johnny Lamb Jones but received a knee injury returning a kick off return for the Texas Long Horns.Johnny Lamb Jones won a gold metal in the 440 relay in the Olympics. Wayne beet all of Johnny Lamb Jones' es records in High School. They both attended the University of Texas.Johnny Lamb Jones was 1 or 2 years to Wayne Johnson's senior at Texas University in Austin.
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby dukehjsteve » Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:20 pm

I'm a local so I should know, but I don't:

What's the Track status of Nick Stoner, who won last spring's Indiana HS 100 and 200( anchored winning 1600 R too) bringing Center Grove HS to a state title along with Austin Mudd's 800/1600 double ( Mudd ran 1600 R too).

I know he went to IU on a football scholarship and played football this fall for IU.

2 questions....

How did he do in football ? Think he was slated as a defensive halfback.

What's the status of a continuing running career ?
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby tandfman » Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:29 pm

dukehjsteve wrote:How did he do in football ? Think he was slated as a defensive halfback.

He started out as a cornerback but then switched to wide receiver.

http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-foo ... ick00.html

He's not on their current track roster.
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby gh » Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:59 pm

rickstephenson wrote:
Jacksf wrote:Does anybody know anything about Wayne Johnson?

I believe he won the Texas State 5A 100 and 200 meter races in 1978.
I know he ran a 9.3 100y and 20.78 200m in high school. Obviously he had a lot of potential, but I'm not sure that he ever went to college, or even raced again.
Wayne went to the University of Texas and was scheduled to run in the 1980 Olympics with Johnny Lamb Jones....


Let's clear up some mythology here. Johnson ran 9.3w and 20.6w, both hand timing.

He ran an altitude-aided 10.42 in '82.

Jones ran in the '76 Olympics (when Johnson was still a 16-year-old soph), so neither of them was "scheduled" to run in the '80 Olympics.
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby preston » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:31 pm

dj, gh...midshipman, Clay Stackhouse ('90) was at/near 9.3 or 9.4 as a high school athlete, iirc. I have to imagine that if not for his Naval Academy/Heptagonal affiliation that he may have run faster (he also played football). 10.43 PB
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby gh » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:06 pm

Doesn't ring right, if for no other reason than that "nobody" was running 100y races by the mid-'80s. He doesn't show on the '86 HS 100m list,which goes all the way to 10.61. (and 10.2 hand/windy).

Can't speak to the 10.43; best that Tilastopaja lists is a 10.49 at the '90 Penn Relays.
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby tandfman » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:07 pm

gh wrote:Doesn't ring right, if for no other reason than that "nobody" was running 100y races by the mid-'80s. He doesn't show on the '86 HS 100m list,which goes all the way to 10.61. (and 10.2 hand/windy).

Can't speak to the 10.43; best that Tilastopaja lists is a 10.49 at the '90 Penn Relays.

That's the ONLY mark they list for him. I really don't regard Tila as a source of complete info before the late '90's. He could conceivably have run a 10.43 at a dual meet that Tila never put in their data base when they were going back to the pre-Tila era. Unfortunately, the FAST annuals for those years don't go below 10.40 in the 100. So this is not an easy thing to check.

Like you, I am very skeptical of the 9.3-9.4 claim. Just doesn't ring true.
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Re: White HS sprinters trivia

Postby preston » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:45 am

gh wrote:Doesn't ring right, if for no other reason than that "nobody" was running 100y races by the mid-'80s. He doesn't show on the '86 HS 100m list,which goes all the way to 10.61. (and 10.2 hand/windy).

Can't speak to the 10.43; best that Tilastopaja lists is a 10.49 at the '90 Penn Relays.

Not exactly! Florida still ran yards even at the state meet, iirc. 1984 - Arthur Blake's "record breaking" performances were 120y and 330h; 1985 Michael Timpson (below). Clay Stackhouse graduated high school in 1986.

According to the Naval Academy website

http://www.navysports.com/sports/m-trac ... cords.html
1 Brian Proctor 10.41 5/10/1992
2 Clay Stackhouse 10.43 4/14/1990
3 Michael Jefferson 10.44 (c) 4/16/1994
Brian Proctor 10.44 (c) 4/3/1993
Clay Stackhouse 10.44 (c) 3/31/1990
Brian Proctor 10.44 4/18/1992
7 Clay Stackhouse 10.45 4/14/1990
8 Michael Jefferson 10.47 5/7/1994
9 Clay Stackhouse 10.48 4/7/1990
John McLaughlin 10.48 5/7/1983



here is an article from '85 Florida State Meet

Timpson Runs Into Aaaa Spotlight At Showalter

By Bill Buchalter of The Sentinel Staff, May 7, 1985

They finally found a way to slow down Michael Timpson.Timpson, who sprints, hurdles and jumps for Hialeah Miami-Lakes High School, had to slow down during Graduation Night at Walt Disney World last Saturday.On Friday night Timpson had jumped 24 feet 9 1/4, sprinted 21 seconds in the 220, and ran the 120-yard highs and 330-yard intermediate hurldes in 13.3 and 37.2. All four were top qualifying performances into this Saturday's Class AAAA Florida track championships at Showalter Field in Winter Park.
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Re: Wayne Johnson

Postby rickstephenson » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:07 pm

harvtrack wrote:100m
1. Wayne Johnson '78 TX 5A HS Champ
2. Casey Combest '98 KY HS Champ
3. Matt Bruno '02 CA HS Champ
4. Jason Leach '84 TX 5A 2nd place
5. Trey Griffin '01 TX 4A HS Champ


Of these guys the only one that had any success after high school was Jason Leach.

Yes, but Griifin gets another shot at fame...after playing football at SMU he is in grad school at Texas and has a year of eligibility left (is listed on the horns roster)
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