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Re: Jim Brown

Postby gh » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:01 pm

Put me down as one who believes that a Bama of today may well beat a Jim Brown team or any other of the late '50s and early '60s, but by the time you get to the the '70s Chiefs and their handling of Minnesota, I think the slow-white-guys gap has been covered (where the AFL really beat up on the NFL), and the collegians wouldn't have a chance. As Bijan says, still talking boys vs. men.
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Re: Jim Brown

Postby Dutra5 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:48 am

user4 wrote:
Marlow wrote:
nunusguy wrote:There is a contemporary version of Jim Brown and his name is Steven Jackson, Now Jackson surely has had an outstanding career in St Louis, however he's never rated among the NFLs all-time greats.

??!!
To rephrase Lloyd Bentsen - I knew Jim Brown. Steven Jackson is no Jim Brown.


Marlow is right. Jim Brown was a beast and if he were playing in the NFL today he would be 20lbs heavier .


...and maybe playing a different position.
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Re: Jim Brown

Postby user4 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:26 am

Dutra5 wrote:
user4 wrote:
Marlow wrote:
nunusguy wrote:There is a contemporary version of Jim Brown and his name is Steven Jackson, Now Jackson surely has had an outstanding career in St Louis, however he's never rated among the NFLs all-time greats.

??!!
To rephrase Lloyd Bentsen - I knew Jim Brown. Steven Jackson is no Jim Brown.


Marlow is right. Jim Brown was a beast and if he were playing in the NFL today he would be 20lbs heavier .


...and maybe playing a different position.


Great point that brings us full circle, Jim Brown, despite having to carry his massive ego, could excel today at any number of positions. Brown was simply a superb athlete. He was big and strong and quick and fast, were there faster backs, well of course there were. There were much faster backs. But were there backs that combined all of the features of size, strength, awareness and speed as Brown. There was not. Face it we dont call him Jim Brown for nothing! He was an original, one of a kind. He is to the RB position what Dick Butkus is to the LB position. The model. He was perfect, a one of a kind phenomena. He was a Milt Campbell on the football field only bigger and burlier.

My strategery for today: Jim Brown at QB or HB... which brings us back to how the game has changed and rechanged again. There was a time in the far distant past when the QB position was largely a running and movement position. It evolved, due to the value of all 6 skill players, into a passing position. Recall just 3 decades ago when the elite thinkers in the game swore by the big tall pocket passer with tremendous arm strength. The Drew Bledsoe model came into vogue ... the NFL is still dominated by great QBs of this type (Mannings/Brady..etc) largely because they can get the ball to any of the 6 skill players quickly on any given play and it allows a single QB to make adjustments and command the offense, all net positives.
That era has not ended but the running capacity of the QB is now being revisited and it is an exciting time for football because of it, RG3, the quintessential dual threat QB.
Adding a running dimension to this critical position has its costs and if you lose the security and play calling ability because you are placing your offensive brain trust in harms way of LBers it is not the advantage may seem on paper.

It is possible that we could eventually, 3 decades from now, see offenses with essentially 2 or 3 dual threat QBs on the field at the same time. This allows the maximal advantage of surprise while diminishing the damage your QB is going to take by being the singular focus of a defense. Again with 6 skill players on the field the desire for maximal uncertainty, to confound the defense, would seem to push the game in this direction.
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