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Newhouse

Postby DoubleRBar » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:17 pm

Happy birthday today (Tuesday) to an Olympic champion who was born 101 years ago this day.

Our birthday athlete died at the age of 86.

This champion went to the same university as did Bill Cosby.

Only 20 years old when winning the Olympic gold medal, our birthday person shared the same event as did Bill Cosby.

Can you name this Olympic champion without looking it up via the internet or any book?

Please name our gold medalist.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:49 pm

Temple high jumper in Olympics around 1930-40 ?
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Re: Newhouse

Postby DoubleRBar » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:22 pm

You're on the right track, or should I say field. Remember, this champion won Olympic gold at the age of 20.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby EastBayprepoftheweek67 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:34 pm

The high jumper (Cosby's event) who beat Babe Didrikson in a jump-off for Gold medal in the '32 Olympics (when Babe was disqualified in her World record clearance for leading with her head,) was very young, but I can't recall her name and certainly don't know what school she attended.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby Per Andersen » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:58 pm

EastBayprepoftheweek67 wrote:The high jumper (Cosby's event) who beat Babe Didrikson in a jump-off for Gold medal in the '32 Olympics (when Babe was disqualified in her World record clearance for leading with her head,) was very young, but I can't recall her name and certainly don't know what school she attended.

Well, now that you have done the heavy lifting - Jean Shiley of Temple.

One thing about Babe's DQ for leading with the head in the Jump-off. Did she not use the same technique during the regular comp? Did she dive more in the jump-off? BTW, results in jump-offs could not be ratified as WRs in those days.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby DoubleRBar » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:09 am

Good job EastBayprepoftheweek67 and Per Andersen. Yesterday was the birthday of Jean Shiley who won the 1932 Olympic high jump. Shiley used a scissors style jump while Didriksen used the western roll style. They both cleared 1.65 which was a world record then. At 1.67, they both missed. The Shiley cleared 1.67 in the jump-off and Didriksen also cleared 1.67 in the jump-off.

It was at this point that the high jump officials decided that Didriksen was jumping head-first over the bar, which was illegal in 1932. So, her clearance of 1.67 was ruled a miss. Didriksen later said that she had not varied her style all day. The rest is history.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby dj » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:15 am

DoubleRBar wrote:It was at this point that the high jump officials decided that Didriksen was jumping head-first over the bar, which was illegal in 1932. So, her clearance of 1.67 was ruled a miss. Didriksen later said that she had not varied her style all day. The rest is history.


Didriksen said she'd not changed her style, and I tend to believe her. But several of the women had been complaining throughout the competition that Didriksen's form was illegal.

I wonder if she was adapting her style ever so slightly as she attempted higher heights. Her style was only marginally legal, and I wouldn't be surprised if the extra effort for the higher height caused her to change her position over the bar just slightly.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby DoubleRBar » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:32 am

Very well could have since she was using the western roll.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby Per Andersen » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:03 pm

dj wrote:
Didriksen said she'd not changed her style, and I tend to believe her. But several of the women had been complaining throughout the competition that Didriksen's form was illegal.

I wonder if she was adapting her style ever so slightly as she attempted higher heights. Her style was only marginally legal, and I wouldn't be surprised if the extra effort for the higher height caused her to change her position over the bar just slightly.

Yes, that makes good sense.

Horine in 1912 was "diving" but I believe the "no diving" rule only came in effect after Ed Beeson in 1914. (Horine and Beeson were of course both Western Rollers) Do you have any info on that?
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Re: Newhouse

Postby bf » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:07 am

Just wondering.. 'Newhouse' ? Thought this would be about Fred Newhouse..
But speaking of Shiley/Didrickson, trivia question: when was the last time two
HJers set WRs in same competition?
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Re: Newhouse

Postby rhymans » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:15 am

My guess would be Johnson (and then) Albritton jumping 6'9 3/4 (2.076) in the '36 OT
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Re: Newhouse

Postby DoubleRBar » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:59 am

Good guess, rhymans. I can't think of one before that Trials.

Newhouse was her married name.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby dj » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:00 pm

Per Andersen wrote:
dj wrote:
Didriksen said she'd not changed her style, and I tend to believe her. But several of the women had been complaining throughout the competition that Didriksen's form was illegal.

I wonder if she was adapting her style ever so slightly as she attempted higher heights. Her style was only marginally legal, and I wouldn't be surprised if the extra effort for the higher height caused her to change her position over the bar just slightly.

Yes, that makes good sense.

Horine in 1912 was "diving" but I believe the "no diving" rule only came in effect after Ed Beeson in 1914. (Horine and Beeson were of course both Western Rollers) Do you have any info on that?


Sorry, but I don't have enough rule books from the 1910s and early '20s to determine when the rule was amended. Before the revision there was nothing mentioned about how a clearance could be made. The revision ruled a miss for any clearance in which the head preceded the feet or if the head was lower than the buttocks while clearing the bar.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby rhymans » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:18 pm

The 1913 IAAF rule book (page 38) notes that "neither diving nor somersaulting over the bar shall be permitted". This is further clarified in the 1921 rule book which notes "a fair jump is where the head of the contestant does not go over the bar before the feet and is not below the buttocks in clearing the bar"
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Re: Newhouse

Postby bf » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:28 pm

Correct, Johnson/Albritton in '36. But for women, it was in the '80s....
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Re: Newhouse

Postby Per Andersen » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:51 pm

rhymans wrote:The 1913 IAAF rule book (page 38) notes that "neither diving nor somersaulting over the bar shall be permitted". This is further clarified in the 1921 rule book which notes "a fair jump is where the head of the contestant does not go over the bar before the feet and is not below the buttocks in clearing the bar"

Do you also know when the rule was scrapped? I'm guessing 1933 or 1934.

So Horine lucked out since he set the WR prior to 1913. It obviously had to be impossible to be a HJ official in those days. They DQed Babe Didriksen in '32 but not the men's winner, Duncan McNaughton who clearly led with his head over the bar.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby rhymans » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:01 am

1/ Yes the rule was changed in 1934 to state that "the competitor must take off from one foot".

2/ As to the HJ tie in the 1980's (and as compiler of the WR progression book I should remember this, but am going a bit ga-ga in my old age), I think it must relate to Bykova and Meyfarth in 1983 (Iwas there - I should remember it) in the European Cup at Crystal Palace.
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Re: Newhouse

Postby bf » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:41 pm

correct, again
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Re: Newhouse

Postby marknhj » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:28 am

rhymans wrote:2/ As to the HJ tie in the 1980's (and as compiler of the WR progression book I should remember this, but am going a bit ga-ga in my old age), I think it must relate to Bykova and Meyfarth in 1983 (Iwas there - I should remember it) in the European Cup at Crystal Palace.


I empathize, Richard. I was there too and just spent a couple of minutes trying and failing to come up with the answer!
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