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Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby olympiade72 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:07 am

When I ran the 200 meter final in the 1972 Munich Olympics, I had a 105 temp and the flu. I was happy just to make it to the final. I had been sick for two days prior to my race. I am not complaining it is what it was for that day. But due to the requirements in 1972 of the USTA and the US Olympic committee, we were required to participate in certain meets, as well as a training regimen that was in complete contradiction to what I had been doing for the last two years. That combined with the poor food choices that were presented to the team I lost 10 lbs and got the flu. Just wanted to set the record straight after 40 years on the eve of the 2012 games. Chuck Smith US National champion 72.
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby 79. » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:07 pm

Seems that the 1972 Olympics were a true malediction for the US sprinters:
Larry BLACK (R.I.P) on lane 1 in the 200M final.
The Sovietic supertsar BORZOV.
The pathetic and famous mistake about the 100m heats start.
The 4x400m out.
You got the flu... :oops:
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby KDFINE » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:18 am

Was John Smith's eventual injury in any way related to the extra races to give Lee Evans the opportunity to replace Vince Matthews in the 400?
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby gh » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:28 am

Black had lane 1 in three straight rounds as I recall.
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby user4 » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:30 am

gh wrote:Black had lane 1 in three straight rounds as I recall.


And the 4x100 was in lane 1 for the final. Way too hard to believe these are coincidences.
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby Dave » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:49 am

as well as a training regimen that was in complete contradiction to what I had been doing for the last two years.. That is an interesting statement. Bowerman was the head men's coach for the 72 games so I am surprised that he allowed the assistant coaches to mess with an athletes training process. In The Men of Oregon, the author quotes Bowerman saying that the coaches were there primarily for logistics rather than to try to tell people how they should train. Presumably, the initiator of this thread knows what happened but it is an interesting contradiction.
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby Peter Michaelson » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:24 pm

KDFINE:

Bob Giegengack wrote a letter to Track and Field News that was published in 1972, maybe in the Olympic Games recap issue. I don't remember the exact wording and he did not name names, but I assumed he was talking about John Smith. Gieg's letter said the coaches advised a certain athlete who had already run the 400 in a pre-Olympic meet NOT to double back in the 200 since the weather was cold that evening. The wording may have been "cool Scandinavian evening" or words to that effect. The athlete ran the 200 anyway and got hurt. Maybe someone can dig up the issue and see how bad my memory is.
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby bambam » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:49 pm

gh wrote:Black had lane 1 in three straight rounds as I recall.


No- Heats Lane 3, QF Lane 5, SF and Final Lane 1
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby olympiade72 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:18 am

Politics and nepotism played a huge role in 1972. Example, the best coaches for the team weren't even selected; (Bud Winter, San Jose State, coached Tommie Smith, John Carlos etc, & Jim Bush, UCLA). These men were the top in their field.(I trained under both of them) Most people don't know that Wayne Collett wanted to continue training at UCLA before the games,he was threaten with being removed from the team if he did so. Regarding the lane selections in the 200, and other oddities that occurred, it seemed like the fix was in for the American runners. Chuck Smith
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby cladthin » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:50 pm

olympiade72 wrote:When I ran the 200 meter final in the 1972 Munich Olympics, I had a 105 temp and the flu. I was happy just to make it to the final. I had been sick for two days prior to my race. I am not complaining it is what it was for that day. But due to the requirements in 1972 of the USTA and the US Olympic committee, we were required to participate in certain meets, as well as a training regimen that was in complete contradiction to what I had been doing for the last two years. That combined with the poor food choices that were presented to the team I lost 10 lbs and got the flu. Just wanted to set the record straight after 40 years on the eve of the 2012 games. Chuck Smith US National champion 72.


That's ridiculous that you should have to follow someone else's training program that late in the process other than the one that you used to get there in the first place. Aside for relay purposes, I cannot see the point for them to also dictate your racing schedule leading up to the games. I hope now national team coaches, again other than the actual exchange work the relay coach would require, let the personal coaches have as much daily contact and coaching as is possible for any given athlete. While someone's coach can certainly screw up a tapering schedule if one is used, your coach certainly knows better what you respond to, what you don't respond to and specifically what your program has consisted of along the way.
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Re: Olympic 200 meters 1972

Postby Peter Michaelson » Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:33 pm

I agree that changing coaches late in a season is generally a no-no. I recall a section of Vince Matthews's book "My Race Be Won" where he talks about the help he got from the 1972 Olympic coaches. Specifically, I believe it was Hoover Wright who worked with Vince individually and introduced him to concepts such as thinking of the race in segments and working each segment in training, etc. Matthews seemed grateful for the help and believed it helped him win the 400 in Munich. If anyone has the book, they can look it up and see how faulty my memory is.
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