nianchengyu wrote:I saw it in a professional paper, other data including Bench press of 140kg ,throwing 2kg discus over 52m,100m 12.5s. women LJ WR holder also standing jump of 3.10m, how strange it is,
3.10 Standing LJ by Felnik? Yes, I believe it. It's a sheer power jump off two feet. They compete in this event in Norway during the winter. Norwegian women might not have gone 3m but certainly over 2.90 on many occasions. I would think 52m with the 2Kg disc is more impressive.
Bruce Kritzler wrote:I'm guessing this is actually Fiana Melnik, former discus world record holder's performances. Those are marks you would expect from an explosive, powerful athlete.
Yeah,wow, throwing 2kg dis over 52m,she is comphrensive thrower, also throw SP out to 20m,she took part in 1976oly in SP AND DT for USSR, BUT it was huge disaster for the 1975 world best woman of athletics, in fifth round of discus she went to 2nd place behind Evelin Jahl with 68.60m, however it was judged a foul, only 4th, ,in shot put even worse,after two round she even not passed 18m and eventually 18.17m, no final qualify at all.OLY actually nightmare for 11th WR breaker,in 1980 she threw almost 70m, but only over 52m in qualification.Only one gold medal which won narrowly beaten Menis.
I haven't seen women going over 2.90 m many times. My lists from Norges Best (Norwegian record book by Jo Nesse ) shows 2.92m best by only one person and that is Annelin Mannes NOR at Flise in March 81. Bear in mind that in Norway they do the SLJ with the toes over the line as permitted in the Olympic rules when they had this event for men up thru 1912. This adds about 9" to the jump when made with toes behind the line. So no, I don't believe that Melnik or anyone else did it unless I see it in the official results. Maybe it's been done in the last few years but that's very unlikely.
In "Transfer of Training in Sports", former Hammer Throw Olympic Champion and coach Anatoliy Bondarchuk gives a table called "Model Characteristic of General Physical Preparation of High Level Athletes Specializing in the Discus" (p.36). For women the standard for Standing Long Jump is 2.90-3.10m and for Bench Press 140-160kg. So Melnik figures 3.10m and 140kg are within these range.
That was in TandFNews back in the 70's about Feuerbach's vertical leaping ability, and I was pretty surprised to hear about it.
Feuerbach was one of my favorite field guys then. Seemed like a cool dude. He and George Woods were quite a pair. Wasn't Feuerbach one of the organizers of the old Two Big Guys meet, years ago, that had a shot put competition in their back yard?
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For what it's worth, here are some SLJ marks, by body weight (source : Dale Harder's 'Strength and Speed') : 360/11'9 3/4 Werner Gunthor (280 lb?), 335/11'0 George Woods (294?), 320/10'6 Ken Patera(300), 305/10'0 Tony Mandarich(315), 244/8'0 Paul Anderson (320? /1957?) Idea for a SLJ competition: have some billionaire put up big prize money, and have all the world's best compete a la that tv show where people are always falling in the water - they must jump over a chasm (landing on safe surface, so no ankle injuries). You land on other side, or fall backwards into the water. I'd watch.
I definitely believe so...BTW, it should be noted that usually SLJ in europe is measured on the long jump pit, usually starting with part of the feet over the edge of the pit..so giving some extra to the measure, compared to a very strict NFL combine type measurement.
Erozag, you're exactly right. When I wrote my Strength & Speed book I found that the Finns and Norwegians still do this annually and do it indoors with their toes over the edge of the pit. BTW, this is how they did it in the Olympics from 1900 to 1920--it's in the old rules for the event. Personal research reveals that you can average 9 inches more using the toes over the edge version. BTW, Gary's absolutely right. Running long jumpers do well because of their speed more than leg spring--they're not exactly chopped liver but speed is what does it for them. Out of the HJ, LJ and TJ, the TJ usually produces the best jumpers of that bunch. Invariably SP and DT produces the best of all T&F athletes generally speaking. Dick Cochran, one of our DT relates that in the 1956 Olympics many of the weight men were having an informal contest, and Paul Anderson, the heavyweight weightlifter came over and blew them all away. Dick didn't report the distance of that particular jump. On another occasion as pointed out above, Ken Patera, another WL-SP combo guy was a terrific SLJer. Incidentally WLers do better than even weight throwers as a group except for the very shortest WLers. Even they usually jump 3 to 4 feet longer than their height. BTW, Arne Tverraag NOR jumped 12'2 (371 cm) with toes over at a competition in Noresund NOR on 11-11-68 but I regard that as slightly inferior to Calvin Johnson of the NFL who did 11'7 (353 cm) in March 07 at the Georgia Tech combine. The NFL combine uses toes behind the line so Johnson's jump equates to 12'4 Olympic style. These should both be recorded as official. I've also heard claims of pro jumpers and Haken Sornbloom NOR HJer (220 cm or 7'2 1/2)doing as much as 13'1 (400cm) but they're not corroborated in official competitions.