Track Phony of the Month


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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Daisy » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:02 pm

lonewolf wrote:You must be very proud, Daisy. :)

I'm not sure. As far as I know he thought he was doing serious research. And it was published in Science. I guess the Ig Nobel's are starting to become semi-respectable?

Conor Dary wrote:Wasn't there a Mark Fricker who was mile rabbit back in the 80's?

There is no doubt that this particular Fricker is a different guy!
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Pego » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:07 pm

Daisy wrote:
lonewolf wrote:You must be very proud, Daisy. :)

I'm not sure. As far as I know he thought he was doing serious research. And it was published in Science. I guess the Ig Nobel's are starting to become semi-respectable?

Conor Dary wrote:Wasn't there a Mark Fricker who was mile rabbit back in the 80's?

There is no doubt that this particular Fricker is a different guy!


Of what I know, all Ig Nobel recipients do serious research.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Dilan Esper » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:19 pm

I love these threads. Keep it up. And it's great how the internet allows these people to be exposed. Much better than the old days.

I won't mention names, but I remember a local incident where a man who ran for one of our two local football factory universities (we'll call him was John Doe and the school "FFU") was inducted into their athletic Hall of Fame. FFU wrote up a big glossy article about the guy, which ran in their football program all season, and put out a press release. This happened in the 1980's.

The football program article and press release grossly overstated the guy's accomplishments, saying he was a star in track and field who set records, competed alongside a bunch of famous athletes whose names you would know, etc.

In fact, little of this was true; Doe was never a star, didn't set any records, etc. He was, however, a big donor to the university, which allowed him to write his Hall of Fame induction.

A sports radio talk-show host got hold of the story and bashed on FFU three or four times for continuing to peddle the phony story, but nothing was ever corrected.

I think this sort of thing is much harder to pull off in the internet age.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Godspeed2000 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:16 pm

Here's a potential candidate: http://www.thesanjosesabercats.com/mediaguide/2011%20Media%20Guide.pdf#page=11 (3rd guy down, the Assist Trainer/Rehab Specialist).

I know this guy from the local (SF Bay Area) HS coaching scene, and for years he's been making claims of being an '84 Olympian (sometimes it's '88) in the 400m, or rather the 4x400m (if you challenge him on the Olympic open-400m), or rather being an alternate for the 4x400 team (if you challenge him on the USA 4x400m roster). This is the first time I've caught him allowing some of the claims to be published in writing. I've never seen his name listed in any old national championship results or TFN rankings from the early-mid 80's, but I'm curious if anyone has validation of his claims of being an Olympian and/or ranking "3rd in the US and 8th in the world" at one point (maybe ran a fast indoor race really early in the season?).

From the linked media guide: "A graduate of the Air Force Academy in 1984, Marshall competed in the 400-meter dash, at one time ranking third in the U.S. and eighth in the world."
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby mcgato » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:48 pm

Godspeed2000 wrote:From the linked media guide: "A graduate of the Air Force Academy in 1984, Marshall competed in the 400-meter dash, at one time ranking third in the U.S. and eighth in the world."

He doesn't appear here:
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/rankin ... anking.pdf
Also doesn't appear in the results of the 1984 Olympic trials 400. That includes heats.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Grasshopper » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:54 pm

mcgato wrote:
Godspeed2000 wrote:From the linked media guide: "A graduate of the Air Force Academy in 1984, Marshall competed in the 400-meter dash, at one time ranking third in the U.S. and eighth in the world."

He doesn't appear here:
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/rankin ... anking.pdf
Also doesn't appear in the results of the 1984 Olympic trials 400. That includes heats.

He does appear in the Air Force Academy's T&F Recordbook...as a TJ'er :? (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/afa ... rdbook.pdf). He's #2 on their all-time indoor list (50' 6") but doesn't appear at all on their outdoor list. More relevant to this discussion, though, he's nowhere to be found on ANY of their other lists, let alone the 400m. He wasn't even a member of the only 4x400 team that appears on their AT list from that period (#5 from 1983). I call BS!

Maybe he has himself confused with Alonzo Babers :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Grasshopper » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:25 pm

Grasshopper wrote:He does appear in the Air Force Academy's T&F Recordbook...as a TJ'er :? (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/afa ... rdbook.pdf). He's #2 on their all-time indoor list (50' 6") but doesn't appear at all on their outdoor list. More relevant to this discussion, though, he's nowhere to be found on ANY of their other lists, let alone the 400m. He wasn't even a member of the only 4x400 team that appears on their AT list from that period (#5 from 1983). I call BS!

Maybe he has himself confused with Alonzo Babers :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not surprisingly, can't find any evidence of him ever being associated with the 49'ers either, other than some mentions of him being friends with Mike Singletary. :roll: The Niners strength & conditioning coaches for '09 and '10 were Duane Carlisle and Mark Uyeyama (http://web.archive.org/web/201012030112 ... staff.html).
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby gh » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:59 pm

guess the Air Academy doesn't share the honor code of the other services.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Blues » Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:01 pm

gh wrote:guess the Air Academy doesn't share the honor code of the other services.


Well, I don't know what Mr. Marshall's own story is, but living here in Arizona, I'm pretty familiar with his offspring, who all received some pretty impressive athletic genes... Daughter Dahlys is a senior sprinter/hurdler for the University of Arizona, with bests of 13.36 in the 100h and 23.90 in the 200... Son Cameron is an outstanding running back for Arizona State, with 12 of ASU's 16 rushing touchdowns so far this season... And son Byron is the Rivals #6 ranked running back in the class of 2012, being recruited by ASU, Oregon, USC, Washington, Cal, and Notre Dame, to name a few.... Not too shabby, even if there's a chance that dad hasn't run a 400 since high school.... :wink:
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Grasshopper » Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:51 pm

Blues wrote:Well, I don't know what Mr. Marshall's own story is, but living here in Arizona, I'm pretty familiar with his offspring, who all received some pretty impressive athletic genes... Daughter Dahlys is a senior sprinter/hurdler for the University of Arizona, with bests of 13.36 in the 100h and 23.90 in the 200... Son Cameron is an outstanding running back for Arizona State, with 12 of ASU's 16 rushing touchdowns so far this season... And son Byron is the Rivals #6 ranked running back in the class of 2012, being recruited by ASU, Oregon, USC, Washington, Cal, and Notre Dame, to name a few.... Not too shabby, even if there's a chance that dad hasn't run a 400 since high school.... :wink:

That's an interesting note. It's makes for a good study in the "placebo effect", I suppose. How greatly might it have effected any of our own athletic pursuits if our parents had led us to believe that they themselves were once world class athletes? Personally, I have little doubt that the "knowledge" that their dad was once an Olympian boosted these kids' self-confidence and belief in their own potential.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Daisy » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:02 pm

In that interview, the vice-presidential candidate boasted about his fitness, declaring that he had once run a marathon in less than three hours.

This claim piqued the interest of Runner’s World magazine, which noted that marathon times are recorded — and that it was unable to find any evidence of Mr. Ryan’s accomplishment. It eventually transpired that Mr. Ryan had indeed once run a marathon, but that his time was actually more than four hours.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/opini ... icans.html
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby aaronk » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:45 am

In a post in August 2011, Master Po has it that Aries Merritt was a 400 meters champion in the 2001 NJO.
I didn't know he'd ever run a 400.
But in the FAST Annual, it says he ran a 36.71 300H in 2003 while in High School.

So I wonder, about 10 years later, what he'd do in the 400H!!!
Surely a sub-50!!
Maybe a sub-48!!
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Master Po » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:25 am

aaronk wrote:In a post in August 2011, Master Po has it that Aries Merritt was a 400 meters champion in the 2001 NJO.
I didn't know he'd ever run a 400.
But in the FAST Annual, it says he ran a 36.71 300H in 2003 while in High School.

So I wonder, about 10 years later, what he'd do in the 400H!!!
Surely a sub-50!!
Maybe a sub-48!!


Not sure how Aries Merritt got into the "track phonies" thread, so I must conclude that the track phony being referenced here is me. When I saw -- as noted above -- what I had posted last year, it didn't look right to me. I just skimmed 2001 JO results and in fact Merritt won the 400H (54.10) in the intermediate division at NJO that year. (And he was second in the 110H -- good meet!) Regrets for posting mistaken info.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby aaronk » Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:55 am

Master Po wrote:
aaronk wrote:In a post in August 2011, Master Po has it that Aries Merritt was a 400 meters champion in the 2001 NJO.
I didn't know he'd ever run a 400.
But in the FAST Annual, it says he ran a 36.71 300H in 2003 while in High School.

So I wonder, about 10 years later, what he'd do in the 400H!!!
Surely a sub-50!!
Maybe a sub-48!!


Not sure how Aries Merritt got into the "track phonies" thread, so I must conclude that the track phony being referenced here is me. When I saw -- as noted above -- what I had posted last year, it didn't look right to me. I just skimmed 2001 JO results and in fact Merritt won the 400H (54.10) in the intermediate division at NJO that year. (And he was second in the 110H -- good meet!) Regrets for posting mistaken info.


Sorry, Master!! :D
Didn't mean to connect YOU to the word "phony"!!
You're anything BUT, imo!!
I was scanning this thread, and saw Aries Merritt's name in those NJO results you posted last year.
Like I said, I didn't know he'd ever run a 400 or 400H.
That's why I checked my FAST Annual, and found that 36.71 300H from 2003.

Now, after checking my Athletics Annual, I see he has a 400H PR of 51.94 from 2004!!
Thus, my opinion that he could easily break 50 stands!!

Again, sorry for the confusion about you and the word "phony"!!
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby dukehjsteve » Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:11 pm

I still think one of the most outrageous was the gal in upstate NY somewhere that ran a fitness center, that claimed in a local newspaper article that she was Olympic Champion in the 200, from some Caribbean nation, who then moved here. Turns out she was a complete nobody who had not even embellished her accomplishments... she had none ! After she was "outed" here, the newspaper writer was advised; she went back to the perp, who then confessed... and the writer wrote of her confession in a subsequent issue of her newspaper. That sure must not have helped her fitness center business very much.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby wineturtle » Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:02 am

An editing error I'm sure.

Rose Monday's bio at UTSA may need an edit:
http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml? ... LID=608948
She was ranked in the top 10 in the U.S. in the 800-meters from 1983-92 and competed in four Olympic Trials. She was also ranked in the 1,500-meter run for four years.


All I find is a 7th in 1987 and a 9th in '89 at 800 and a 9th at 1500 for 1987.
But they may be refering to another Top 10 Ranking list that I'm not aware of.
Did she get a vote on the T&FN top USAers list in every year from 1983-92 perhaps?
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby user4 » Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:17 am

Godspeed2000 wrote:Here's a potential candidate: http://www.thesanjosesabercats.com/mediaguide/2011%20Media%20Guide.pdf#page=11 (3rd guy down, the Assist Trainer/Rehab Specialist).

From the linked media guide: "A graduate of the Air Force Academy in 1984, Marshall competed in the 400-meter dash, at one time ranking third in the U.S. and eighth in the world."



Actually he is just about right on the Air Force Academy - 400m -1984 - Olympic Games connection. You are focusing on the minor wiggle. Im sure he could tell you that he was very busy and simply conflated himself with Alonzo Babers, an honest mistake. To make up for it and not to seem like a bloviated phony, and with football being a character sport and all, he downgrades the results from a double Oly gold medalist to a world 8th ranking.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Norm Balke » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:46 am

You cannot underestimate how much people will BS about track and field! They figure that no one will ever check it out! People have made all kinds of outlandish claims that I know are wrong, yet they cling to them.

One guy I knew told me about his shotput heroics years ago at the school that I coached at. My head coach kept meticulous records from the last 100 years, and his "heroics" I guess were all mental. He KNEW I coached there, yet somehow he thought that I somehow wouldn't know that he was a fake!

A mom that I was conferencing with told me about her discus exploits in HS - 180'. She had a scholarship at Tx AM, but she turned it down. !!!!!!!!! This was when the record was 183'. She was about 5'5". I questioned her mark, but she wouldn't back off. All this knowing that I was a shot and discus guy!

I have had others over the years, it doesn't surprise me at all that folks will make outrageous claims.

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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Blues » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:53 pm

Grasshopper wrote:
mcgato wrote:
Godspeed2000 wrote:From the linked media guide: "A graduate of the Air Force Academy in 1984, Marshall competed in the 400-meter dash, at one time ranking third in the U.S. and eighth in the world."

He doesn't appear here:
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/rankin ... anking.pdf
Also doesn't appear in the results of the 1984 Olympic trials 400. That includes heats.

He does appear in the Air Force Academy's T&F Recordbook...as a TJ'er :? (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/afa ... rdbook.pdf). He's #2 on their all-time indoor list (50' 6") but doesn't appear at all on their outdoor list. More relevant to this discussion, though, he's nowhere to be found on ANY of their other lists, let alone the 400m. He wasn't even a member of the only 4x400 team that appears on their AT list from that period (#5 from 1983). I call BS!

Maybe he has himself confused with Alonzo Babers :lol:


If you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the Air Force Academy record list that Grasshopper provided the link to (to "Outdoor Non-Championship Relays"), the team of Greg Marshall, Dan Rojas, Michael Sowell, and Robert Langstaff ran 9:47.23 in the men's distance medley relay in 1984 to rank third on the all time Air Force list.

So at least there's proof that Mr. Marshall did more than just triple jump during his collegiate career, and that he ran the 400 on at least one relay, if not more often.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby trackstar » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:32 am

I just stumbled across this thread and it is absolutely fascinating. I have encountered a couple of pathological liars in my life, and their illness is amazing to behold. It would be funny if it weren't really, really sad.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby trackstar » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:43 am

I'm always a little worried that people will think I'm as crazy as this guy when I talk about my track "career" with the Texas Longhorns. But at least I qualify it by characterizing my one year there as a career that was "brief and highly undistinguished." Really funny (and humbling) story: Stan Huntsman and I were chatting in the stands at a meet in the past year or two, and he said, "Lee, I remember you running for me, but I just can't remember what you did." I laughed and said, "That's because I didn't do anything worth remembering, Coach."
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby gh » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:44 am

story on LSU frosh Kavahra Holmes talking about how he turned down an invitation to the OT this summer. We'll ignore for a moment that one of the first signs of a phony is when you read "they were invited to the OT"; nobody gets invited. You enter on your own volition.

We'll ignore the fact that while he was indeed the second-fastest HS 400 runner in the country in '11, he didn't have either an A or a B qualifier.

http://www.lsureveille.com/sports/footb ... f6878.html
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby tandfman » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:34 am

Of course flagrant errors like that make one wonder whether any of the football information in the article is accurate.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Blues » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:10 am

gh wrote:story on LSU frosh Kavahra Holmes talking about how he turned down an invitation to the OT this summer. We'll ignore for a moment that one of the first signs of a phony is when you read "they were invited to the OT"; nobody gets invited. You enter on your own volition.

We'll ignore the fact that while he was indeed the second-fastest HS 400 runner in the country in '11, he didn't have either an A or a B qualifier.

http://www.lsureveille.com/sports/footb ... f6878.html


I agree that claims that he was invited to participate in the Olympic Trials don't seem to make sense...

I know gh is aware of this and it's probably a matter of semantics, but just to clarify the "nobody gets invited to the Trials" part though, invitations ARE issued by USATF to certain athletes who've submitted entry forms and who've obtained the provisional B qualifier IF it's necessary to fill the event field due to an insufficient number of A qualifiers entered. (As gh stated though, Holmes never obtained the 46.00 B qualifier so this doesn't apply in his case.) But to be fair, if someone claims that they received an invitation to participate in the trials, in the case of B standard athletes it's possible that the claim may not be phony.. And if necessary I think the qualifying standards are even permitted to be adjusted by the Committee Chair, based on previous entries, up to 45 days prior to the trials... So in really unusual situations I guess it might even be possible that an athlete could still be invited to compete at the US Trials, even if he or she didn't obtain the "original" B qualifying mark, if it should ever be necessary for USATF to lower qualifying standards in order to fill an event field...
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby noone » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:23 am

Several years ago I ran into a sophisticated track phony. I was a pit boss in a casino here in Calgary at the time and this elderly, tall and slim man was a regular player, and we knew him as John. He was an immigrant from the Netherlands.

He told me he won two bronze medals in 1948, in the 1500m and the 5000m. He picked the wrong guy to make the claim to, since I said immediately "so your name must have been Willem Slykhuis?". He said yes and quickly changed the subject. I later checked and found out that the real Slykhuis (sp?) died years ago.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby bushop » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:19 pm

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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby bushop » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:38 pm

Daisy wrote:And he is really pissed at being caught.
https://www.facebook.com/rikripley?sk=wall

... and drop a note calling him out and he'll block you.
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Re: Track Phony of the Month

Postby Daisy » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:26 pm

bushop wrote:
Daisy wrote:And he is really pissed at being caught.
https://www.facebook.com/rikripley?sk=wall

... and drop a note calling him out and he'll block you.


This made me laugh.
Peters wall post:

I Love when I join a new Team and they add me to their facebook group and had been talking about me before I got there HEHE This made me Smile:
Lindsay Branscombe: "I may have inadvertently stole Richard Peters (currently training for 2016 Olympics) from team *****. Not only is he an INSANE runner and interested in heading up a Running Dead ULTRA team, but he is a social media and sponsorship animal!"

Comments:
Friend: Which event are you training for in Rio?

Peters 3000m Steeplechase

Friend: That's good it will complement your distance running and hurdling. You think you can make it under 8:23?

Peters we shall see :-)

Friend: 8:23 for 3K is like running a 5K in about 14 minutes. That's pretty impressive, especially since you have the barriers too.

Peters and Water Hazards

Friend: I forgot about those. So now you just need to get 5-6 minutes off your 5K time. That sounds reasonable for a 4 year project. Just lower it by 10% each year.

Peters which wont be a problem since I have had that time on numerous occasions this year during Ultra Ragnars...

Friend: Sweet, that's a huge breakthrough! What happened?

Peters I had those times pre-cancer... once I finish my 15 Ragnars I will be back on the track and seriously training ... right now I am in my endurance and first to do 15 Ragnars phase...

Friend: Got it, so you're just getting back into form. 14 minutes for a 5K is amazing, great job.


Still raising money for his races http://www.gofundme.com/RichardPeters/RaceRelief I assume he pays for his race related expenses from that fund. But wait until you see his 5K times.

Code: Select all
Course                         State    Date      Final
BAA 5K 2012                      MA   4/15/12  21:36      
Larry Kessler 5k 2011            MA   6/5/11   19:39   
Spartan Race Boston 5K           MA   8/28/10  28:12      
Larry Kessler Aids 5K Run 2009   MA   6/7/09   23:38      
The Larry Kesler 5K              MA   6/3/07   25:06      
Larry Kessler 5K Run             MA   6/4/06   29:23      
Aids Walk & 5K Run               MA   6/5/05   23:27      
Aids Walk & 5K Run 2004          MA   6/6/04   21:40      
Aids Run 5K 2002                 MA   6/2/02   20:57      
Aids Run 5K                      MA   6/3/01   20:30

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