Forrest Beaty - what if?


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Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby lagster » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:43 pm

Went running the other day with a gentleman who mentioned running against Forrest Beaty in high school. I also saw Forrest mentioned in one of the posts on the message board. Got me curious since I remembered the name from my youth although I never saw him run. What would you project Forrest would have run had he not been injured? On one hand his times are remarkable, 20.2W for the 220 (as a 16 year old junior), multiple 9.4, 9.5 and 9.6 times in the 100, for someone so young. On the other hand from photos he looks like a very mature high schooler and he prepped at Glendale Hoover which was known for track & field so he was probably fundamentally sound already. Curious what people who may have seen Beaty run in high school think his top end potential topped out at.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby Django » Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:45 pm

Many years ago, he borrowed my spikes to run 100y in an all comers meet in Reno, and I think he ran about 9.7--- much faster than I'd ever done (I was a mile slogger).
If I remember correctly, we were both in medical school at that point. I've wondered what became of him. Anyone know?
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby lagster » Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:12 pm

Last I heard Forrest was a pediatric surgeon in of all places Forestville, California.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby Marlow » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:29 am

lagster wrote:Last I heard Forrest was a pediatric surgeon in of all places Forestville, California.

That's him on the left

http://www.bigcsociety.org/halloffame20 ... 006153.jpg
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby jeremyp » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:52 am

Also this: http://www.glendalehigh.com/big-game-records-hoover.pdf

Go to bottom and there is a nice piece on him. Also read page 8 (1960). Then go to page 9 for another famous name.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby Avante » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:11 pm

One of the real .."what happened"...in sprintdom. Best high schooler in the nation, could run everything from the 100 to the 400. Yet he never really made the impact he should have. Can't recall how/when I first came across him, I do remember thinking..."what happened to this guy?"
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby dukehjsteve » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:58 pm

Avante wrote:One of the real .."what happened"...in sprintdom. Best high schooler in the nation, could run everything from the 100 to the 400. Yet he never really made the impact he should have. Can't recall how/when I first came across him, I do remember thinking..."what happened to this guy?"


I think you are being a bit too hard on him. Maybe he was not quite the super, super HS runner that you are remembering/perceiving. That 9.4 and 20.2 were handtimed, at HS meets. They could have really been 9.6 and close to 21.0. Straightaway 220's had a ton of variables in them.

He had a very solid career at Cal as a 1/4 miler. Plus some guys "peak " earlier than others.... he was an earlier peaker than some others.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby gh » Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:58 pm

And if he were in pre-med at a school like Cal (which would be a logical assumption), track might rapidly become a secondary (or tertiary) concern.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby lagster » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:40 pm

Thought the reason Beaty might have underperformed in college had to do with the hamstring injury from the 1962 State Championships? Thought he was no longer able to go all out and switched to the 440y to baby the hammy. If that is not the case please enlighten.

By the way, Beaty is credited with a 47.3 440y dash in high school which I believe is the same as Tommie Smith's best 440y in high school.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby Avante » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:45 am

dukehjsteve wrote:
Avante wrote:One of the real .."what happened"...in sprintdom. Best high schooler in the nation, could run everything from the 100 to the 400. Yet he never really made the impact he should have. Can't recall how/when I first came across him, I do remember thinking..."what happened to this guy?"


I think you are being a bit too hard on him. Maybe he was not quite the super, super HS runner that you are remembering/perceiving. That 9.4 and 20.2 were handtimed, at HS meets. They could have really been 9.6 and close to 21.0. Straightaway 220's had a ton of variables in them.

He had a very solid career at Cal as a 1/4 miler. Plus some guys "peak " earlier than others.... he was an earlier peaker than some others.


Wasn't everyone hand timed back in the early 60's?

Beatty was the High School Athlete of the year in 1962. His 9.4 was tied for 5th, Hayes had a 9.2. In 1961 he ran a 21.0 on the turn, he also ran a 10.5 100m. So I don't think I'm being hard on him. He could have been one of the great ones based on his early accomplishments. In 1965 he ran a 46.0. Yep...what could have been.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby dukehjsteve » Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:40 pm

re the above, yes of course everyone was handtimed.... but also, reliability/accuracy was more of a factor back then. I for one always thought his 20.2 was a bit too good to be true. And this is particularly so with 1) hs timers
2) wind gauge reliability ( particularly for a straightaway 220 ).

Comparing high school e times to e times in 2010 for evaluative purposes( 10.25 vs. 10.45 as an example) is a LOT more accurate than comparing some 1962 handtimes of 9.4 and 9.6.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby tc » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:11 pm

The wind during Beaty's 20.2 was +1.7, although there were questions about the accuracy of the reading at the time. The timers at Chaffey HS were, of course, a long way from the gun, and it was an afternoon meet. A year later, the timers for his 20.4 at Mt SAC were SPAAAU officials (for what that was worth), the wind was negligible, and the meet was at night. His marks were certainly as "valid" as most others of his era, whether HS or not. And his severe hamstring pull at Modesto a week after the 20.4 no doubt contributed to his subsequent caution and/or lack of incentive in the short sprints.

Beaty's 21.0 on a turn in 1961 (2nd to another HS sprinter, Ralph Turner) was at 200 meters at the SoCal AAU meet.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby indigo » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:20 am

The wind during Beaty's 20.2 was +1.7, although there were questions about the accuracy of the reading at the time.


Winds can be strong in the SGV (Chaffey). Most high school tracks in the area do have wind protection. More often than not the wind dies in the evening. Unless it is a Santa Ana (which would be equivalent to normal wind in Texas)
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby tc » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:17 pm

The old stadium at Chaffey HS in Ontario is in the San Bernardino (not the San Gabriel) Valley. Santa Ana winds in Southern California always trend north-to-south, and when they are blowing through the SBV, travelers unfortunate to be ticketed through Ontario Airport may feel like they are riding the space shuttle.

The 220 was run west-to-east, past a large, high grandstand made of ancient cement. There were high buildings at the east end, bracketing the straight. Winds from the west were benign that day, or Ulis Williams' 46.1 440 -- the first 120 yards of which were run on an east-to west straight on the north side of the stadium -- would have been a lot slower.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby lagster » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:29 pm

Link below to a great article on Forrest.

http://articles.glendalenewspress.com/2 ... boys-track

Article mentions that Forrest's uncle Fulton ran with some great athletes at Glendale High. Bit of an understatement as Fulton was part of a Glendale foursome that set the state 440y relay record. And oh yeah, one of the other runners was Frank Wykoff.
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby no one » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:28 pm

I have heard several times that Beatty was very thickly muscled legs and was prone to leg problems and his big muscle pull in '62 state meet was a significant one, both physical and mental (gun shy). It seems he had bandaged hams throughout his college career. A brother of mine saw him run in several invite meets in SoCal area and he said that he was man - all else boys. He was awestruck at how he ran people down in relays. Except it seems there were three guys in his HS leagues that were all sub 21 guys.... Turner & ??? Much track community noise about him
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby CMVYV » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:43 pm

Beaty was cover boy on the High School Track Annual for '62.

At Cal he ran mostly the 440 and teamed with Dave Archibald & others to win the NCAA Championship Meet's inaugural Mile Relay Title in 1964 at Eugene, Oregon.

BTW, Archibald, who was recently inducted into the Cal T&F Hall of Fame, continues to travel around the world. He has no house or car and is a full-time advernturer.

Trivia Note: Archibald was proud of the fact that he still holds the LA Coliseum record for the fastest 440 yards. Not only has the track been removed but the likelihood of returning to the 440 distance is a long shot!!
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Re: Forrest Beaty - what if?

Postby PDJ551 » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:33 am

In many ways sports medicine was primitive in the 1960s. Very few knew how to properly rehab a hamstring injury. Even fewer knew how to correct imbalances between muscles. Probably many sprinters got hurt in high school and reinjured the same muscle so many times in college. There were some trainers that knew a lot in those days, but information was not disseminated. As a high school coach from 1969-present I witnessed the growth of knowledge in this field and was pleased to see many athletes restored to good health and able to run painfree and without the reoccurence of injuries.
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