Other than decathletes, which track event....


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Re: Other than decathletes, which track event....

Postby Dave » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:59 pm

dbirds wrote:Most of the guys you listed were football players first that sprinted too.


If I have the story right, I believe Herschel Walker was state champion in HS 100 and SP. Not sure I have ever heard of that combination before. That tells me he really was an amazing athlete.
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Re: Other than decathletes, which track event....

Postby gh » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:06 am

Jackaloupe wrote:Thanx for that correction, KD. Don't think he jumped in Melbourne. Was he already injured? In any case, MIlt Campbell was ready to roar, incl. his usual powerful Hurdles even on a loose track, ~14 if not "flat".

Rafer's auto accident was later, leading to concentration, for the better, on the Weights, w/ Discus improving markedly and Javelin even more: a nice penultimate "clincher", esp. when you so hate the 1500m.


Johnson withdrew from Melbourne because of a bad knee.
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Re: Other than decathletes, which track event....

Postby no one » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:03 am

Sam (Bam) Cunningham (of USC v Alabama/Bear Bryant fame) was not the Cal State, CIF southern section or even league champion in the 100y but reportedly ran 9.8 (believe he was the third fastest guy on his HS team). He was the state champion in the (CA) Shot Put @ 61'2" and a best somewhat more than that (if memory serves 63'+). Herschel 100y = 9.9, SP = 53'.

I read somewhere that Walker won the state 100, 200 and SP. . It appears they were about the same size.

Cunningham played on a HS football team where the offensive line averaged (I think) 350 sumthin) One guy weighed 447 pounds - the small guys were high 200 low and ~2mid. The 447 guy - Bob "big Man" Pointer was pretty athletic for his size. Anyway I digress.
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Re: Other than decathletes, which track event....

Postby no one » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:31 am

I did find this : written by his coach I believe.

" throw of 64”9” mostly because of his ability and competitiveness, certainly not because anything this wet behind the ears twenty one year old beginning coach had done. In the league meet Sam ran a 9.7 100 yard dash, won the 220, anchored the winning 440 relay and three the shot over 62” at 6”3” 220 pounds!"

"he told me (in private) that the shot always weighed in overweight by three to four ounces, but he kept using it because it felt good in his hand. "

I seem to recall the SP being about right but not @ state meet.- unsure about 9.7, 220 win and anchor on 440... in league champs. If these are accurate then this may exceed Walkers performances. He was an impressive athlete to say the least.
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Re: Other than decathletes, which track event....

Postby dbirds » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:13 pm

"I inbetween tried a few other approaches which are difficult to explain.
My first attempt (very simple, but I still can follow this logic) had been:

1st step: I placed every single of the alltime top 100 decathletes by cummulated PBs (1. Dan O'Brien 9552, 2. Ashton Eaton 9485, 3. Michael Smith 9362, ...., 100. Robert Muzzio )
(in my list the IAAF decathlon rules for 100m, LJ and 110 hurdles apply: not more than +4.0 in single events; or if one event is above +4.0 the summe of all 3 events has to be within +6.0)

2nd step: I rated the athletes in every single event (100m 1 Ashton Eaton 10.19, Chris Huffins 10.22, ..., 100 Christian Schenk 11.10). Next list for Longjump and so on.
Now I had for every single decathlete his ranking in every single event.

3rd step I build two parts in the cumulated PB list.
The better decathletes = List 1 (1. Dan O'Brien 9552, 2. Ashton Eaton 9485, ... 50. Yuri Kuzenko 8858)
The lesser decathletes = List 2 (51. Paul Terek 8856, ... 100. Robert Muzzio 8728)

4rd step: now I can calculate the average position of the top decathletes for every event and can compare the two lists.
The better the average place List 1 (those 50 decathletes with the best cumulated PB 1-50) do have in an event in comparison to List 2 (the control group, decathletes whoms cumulated PB ranks them just 51-100), the more specific this event is for a "very good" decathlete.

LJ is the most specific, 1500m is the least specific."


What were the average marks of the 100? I'm guessing like a 10.7 100...
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Re: Other than decathletes, which track event....

Postby user4 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:15 am

no one wrote:I read somewhere that Walker won the state 100, 200 and SP. . It appears they were about the same size..


Walker was a great great athlete as a HSer ... but I can not imagine him having won a state shot put title ?


no one wrote:" throw of 64”9” mostly because of his ability and competitiveness, certainly not because anything this wet behind the ears twenty one year old beginning coach had done. In the league meet Sam ran a 9.7 100 yard dash, won the 220, anchored the winning 440 relay and three the shot over 62” at 6”3” 220 pounds! "

I seem to recall the SP being about right but not @ state meet.- unsure about 9.7, 220 win and anchor on 440... in league champs.



Sam Cunningham was an immense talent, .. reminds us of another California (HS and NCAA) fullback that went on to have some success in the decathlon.
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