Best sprinter to never win an Olympic medal?


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Postby 2 cents » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:26 pm

Every one of your posts betrays you...You are your own Judas...
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Postby Marlow » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:31 pm

2 cents wrote:Every one of your posts betrays you...You are your own Judas...

Bluff. The very fact that you won't bet is the tell. Sooner or later gh will see this, and my promise to disappear forever will suffice to get him digging. Any decent hacker could expose me if I'm lying. Bet.
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Postby 2 cents » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:40 pm

I already KNOW the truth. I don't want your house...Your false bravado rings hollow and desperate...
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Postby lonewolf » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:46 pm

I lost interest in this thread long ago except puzzlement over 2 cents obsession that Marlow also posts under another name. Those of us who have been around a while know Marlow only re-incarnates every 25,000 posts. At less than 8000 posts as Marlow he will not morph for another year.
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Postby gh » Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:13 am

Well, this thread certainly went south in the couple of days that I ignored it.

If you check the board guidelines you'll see there is no proscription against posting under multiple names. What is generally understood as good board etiquette, however, is that one not make multiple posts on the same thread under different names simply to buttress one's position in a contentious subject. Since I see no 7-sided posts in this thread, what's the problem?

I would also note that the guidelines do have good-behaviour requirements, and 2 cents clearly has steppled over the line here.

And will enjoy the next week elsewhere.
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Postby Marlow » Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:17 am

gh wrote:one not make multiple posts on the same thread under different names simply to buttress one's position in a contentious subject. Since I see no 7-sided posts in this thread, what's the problem?
I would also note that the guidelines do have good-behaviour requirements, and 2 cents clearly has steppled over the line here.
And will enjoy the next week elsewhere.

Thank you for banning 2C, but can bh verify that I am INDEED not 7-S, so 2C can go ahead and schedule that overdue psychiatric examination?
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Postby bambam » Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:23 am

dukehjsteve wrote:gh and bh, can you PLEASE get rid of this guy ??!!


Just to add my 2 cents, I second that - get rid of 2 cents
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Postby gh » Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:56 am

Marlow wrote:
gh wrote:one not make multiple posts on the same thread under different names simply to buttress one's position in a contentious subject. Since I see no 7-sided posts in this thread, what's the problem?
I would also note that the guidelines do have good-behaviour requirements, and 2 cents clearly has steppled over the line here.
And will enjoy the next week elsewhere.

Thank you for banning 2C, but can bh verify that I am INDEED not 7-S, so 2C can go ahead and schedule that overdue psychiatric examination?


I cannot. I can (in the full sense of the word, meaning ability as well as willingness) only tell you that 7-S's most recent post was from a different ISP than you are currently using.
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Postby KDFINE » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:32 pm

Whenever my thoughts wander over to "the best who never," I immediately censor myself to ignore anyone still competing since its not yet over for them. So I choose to publicly ignore the Gay versus Powell arguments.
Hal Davis and Steve Williams lead my list. As a New Yorker I'm prejudiced in favor of Williams. Leading into the 1976 trials I felt that he was making a mistake by running the 100 and would have had more time to get ready for the 200. Would he have had less of a chance of breaking down if he didn't try the 100? Maybe he should have been running the 400 all along, but it doesn't have the allure of being "the world's fastest man." On a different post I've taken the position that John Smith is the best 400 meter man not to have medaled. If healthy he probably would have won. He had several years at the top. Quarter-milers are sprinters too aren't they? Finally, one name that hasn't been mentioined yet is Charley Tidwell. If healthy in 1960 he would have been a contender in either the 100 or the 200. Of course he only had that one year at the top.
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Postby guru » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:07 pm

gh wrote:
Marlow wrote:Thank you for banning 2C, but can bh verify that I am INDEED not 7-S, so 2C can go ahead and schedule that overdue psychiatric examination?


I cannot. I can (in the full sense of the word, meaning ability as well as willingness) only tell you that 7-S's most recent post was from a different ISP than you are currently using.



Of course, IP addresses are meaningless when trying to identify someone who doesn't want you to know who they are(or wants to dodge a website banning) - free proxy servers are everywhere. So as gh said, they couldn't "verify" such a thing with certainty even if they wanted(unless they had a court order LOL).

That being said, I'd observe that 2 cents never thought marlow was 7-sided anyway.
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Postby Marlow » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:13 pm

guru wrote:2 cents never thought marlow was 7-sided anyway.

So why be so self-destructive? It made him look like a fool AND got him banned.
I guess 2-cents will reincarnate into his 5th avatar.
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Postby Avante » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:09 am

Wow...hahaha!!!!!

I was talking about no Olympic medal of any kind here. I assumed if I'm talking Hal Davis from the 40's it's pretty obvious I'm aware of Asafa Powell and his situation. For me it is Hal Davis. He was the most dominate sprinter in the world in his time and probably would have won both sprints and a relay gold if given the opportunity.

Not ignoring...

Howard Drew...injury
Eulace Peacock...injury
Jim Golliday...injury
Stanley Floyd...boycott
Steve Williams...injury
Ray Norton...blew it!

There is another guy who coulda/woulda/shoulda but didn't....James Sanford.
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Postby Speedfirst » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:44 am

Didn't know everyone had to agree on the same sprinter and now you come with some other criteria. As individuals we can and do decide who we want and of course is will be, and is subject to debate.
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Postby Avante » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:17 am

Speedfirst wrote:Didn't know everyone had to agree on the same sprinter and now you come with some other criteria. As individuals we can and do decide who want and of course is will and is subject to debate.


New criteria? What did the message title read?
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Postby Marlow » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:21 am

Avante wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:Didn't know everyone had to agree on the same sprinter and now you come with some other criteria. As individuals we can and do decide who want and of course is will and is subject to debate.

New criteria? What did the message title read?

Now, Bru . . uh . . . Tex . . . I mean, Avante - play nicely!
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Postby Pego » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:43 am

Marlow wrote:
Avante wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:Didn't know everyone had to agree on the same sprinter and now you come with some other criteria. As individuals we can and do decide who want and of course is will and is subject to debate.

New criteria? What did the message title read?

Now, Bru . . uh . . . Tex . . . I mean, Avante - play nicely!


Welcome back, Brutal/Texas/Avante. Your presence enlivens the place, regardless how you play :wink: .
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Postby Speedfirst » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:44 am

Avante wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:Didn't know everyone had to agree on the same sprinter and now you come with some other criteria. As individuals we can and do decide who want and of course is will and is subject to debate.


New criteria? What did the message title read?


I never stated new criteria, I said other. Your stating you know about Asafa so what. What does that have to do with anything? Why single him out? Those who have chosen Asfa, did so based upon the question, which by the way doesn't have any particular starting or ending time frame.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:12 pm

Pego wrote:Welcome back, Brutal/Texas/Avante. Your presence enlivens the place, regardless how you play :wink: .


Regardless? Really?

Hmmp :?

Anyway..

Brutal,

The implication from the thread QUESTION was "individual" medal -thats why in my first post I asked if you meant individual. If relays were included why has all the discussion (including yours) been about individuals and individual accomplishments?

Nice try.
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Postby STL_Runner » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:45 pm

Speedfirst wrote:I never stated new criteria, I said other.

Yes, you said other, but in this case that wouldn't be any different than new criteria. Another semantics issue with you. Also, the thread starter (Avante) wasn't even the one who brought up the new/other criteria. Reading comprehension is not your friend.

Speedfirst wrote:Your stating you know about Asafa so what. What does that have to do with anything? Why single him out?

Asafa was probably singled out because he has been brought up so many times during this thread. Reading comprehension is not your friend.

Speedfirst wrote:Those who have chosen Asfa, did so based upon the question, which by the way doesn't have any particular starting or ending time frame.

Thank you, master of the obvious. Of course, the person you're responding to never stated otherwise, so I don't know why you even bothered to bring this up. Oh wait, probably because reading comprehension is not your friend.
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Postby Speedfirst » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:06 pm

Since you like following me around girl....new & other aren't nearly the same.

I can have a few jackets and decide that I want the other one, which is not a new, Now on the other hand, I can go purchase a new one. You got it girl, see I know you're on your period and all.

I thought you were using your ignore feature, I know you're enarmored with me, but it's getting old. You really should get off my jock....jock itch.

But I'll continue to entertain you Venganza, how's the pasta coming?
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Postby lovetorun » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:08 pm

Dave Sime.
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Postby tandfman » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:53 pm

lovetorun wrote:Dave Sime.

Silver medal, 100m, Rome 1960.
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Postby STL_Runner » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:56 pm

Speedfirst wrote:Since you like following me around girl....new & other aren't nearly the same.

I can have a few jackets and decide that I want the other one, which is not a new, Now on the other hand, I can go purchase a new one. You got it girl, see I know you're on your period and all.

Again, you're showing you don't understand the difference between general and specific situations. Reading comprehension is not your friend.

By the way, I'm not a girl, and your attempts to insult me by calling me one are pathetic and immature.
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Postby Avante » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:31 pm

To nobody in particular...

An Olympic medal is huge in track & field. A world record will be broken, you will always have that Olympic medal. This thread was about those sprinters that did make an impact but for some reason or another never won an Olympic medal. Yes it's debatable about just who was the best sprinter to fall into that category. It's not debatable about what this thread is about or it shouldn't be.

Asafa Powell has an Olympic medal. So he is DQed...ha! This isn't about individual anything, It's about who never won an Olympic medal. Ivory Crockett, Houston McTear, Reggie Jones, Rey Robinson, George Anderson would fit while Ronnie Ray Smith, Mel Pender, Johnny Jones and Gerald Tinker wouldn't. Yes a 4x1 medal means you have an Olympic medal. I'm sure those who own one would agree :)
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Postby Speedfirst » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:38 am

STL_Runner wrote:
Speedfirst wrote:Since you like following me around girl....new & other aren't nearly the same.

I can have a few jackets and decide that I want the other one, which is not a new, Now on the other hand, I can go purchase a new one. You got it girl, see I know you're on your period and all.

Again, you're showing you don't understand the difference between general and specific situations. Reading comprehension is not your friend.

By the way, I'm not a girl, and your attempts to insult me by calling me one are pathetic and immature.


Sure you're a girl......once again you added nothing to the subject. Jock itch


What's pathetic and immature is your hard on for me and following me, Venganza. Simply use your ignore feature hypocrite, you did cry about that. Cry baby.
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Postby BisonHurdler » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:50 am

Speedfirst wrote:
Sure you're a girl......once again you added nothing to the subject. Jock itch


What's pathetic and immature is your hard on for me and following me, Venganza. Simply use your ignore feature hypocrite, you did cry about that. Cry baby.




I have absolutely no horse in this race, but goddamn, Speedfirst, does the second half of your name refer to the grade you're in?


The humor in this all is that the only person being made fun of in your posts is you. You just don't realize it.




Speedfirst wrote:
What's pathetic and immature is
everything you've said on this thread. Grow up. This is just embarrassing to read, knowing there's a chance you may actually be an adult.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway.

Davis is a pretty good pick, and I'm not sure I could come up with a good enough argument for someone else at this point.
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Postby gh » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:48 am

Speedfirst DQed for multiple false starts.
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Postby Pego » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:59 am

TrackDaddy wrote:Regardless? Really?


B/T/A's contributions to the board have nothing to do with his style, unnecessarily confrontational at times, needless to say. His in-depth knowledge of American male sprinting history has few peers. I crossed swords with him repeatedly on many subjects, but his value is undeniable.

Speedfirst wrote:Sure you're a girl......
What's pathetic and immature is your hard on for me...


A hard on in a girl. A rather novel concept to me.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:49 pm

Avante wrote: Yes a 4x1 medal means you have an Olympic medal. I'm sure those who own one would agree :)


Its your thread and God forbid I should try and stop you from making up rules that support your opinion as you go along.

Like you (now) say...relay medals count. :D
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Postby TrackDaddy » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:52 pm

gh wrote:Speedfirst DQed for multiple false starts.


:(

The guy in the lane beside him flinched.
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Postby TrackDaddy » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:58 pm

Pego wrote:
TrackDaddy wrote:Regardless? Really?


B/T/A's contributions to the board have nothing to do with his style, unnecessarily confrontational at times, needless to say. His in-depth knowledge of American male sprinting history has few peers. I crossed swords with him repeatedly on many subjects, but his value is undeniable.

Speedfirst wrote:Sure you're a girl......
What's pathetic and immature is your hard on for me...


A hard on in a girl. A rather novel concept to me.


As was gleaned from recent global developments...

It can happen.
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Postby STL_Runner » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:03 pm

If relay medals don't count, my vote is for Tyson Gay or Ray Norton.
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Postby Gordon18 » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:17 pm

personally i'd say Powell, but Tyson probably gets it looking at his times and other champ performances.
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Postby Gordon18 » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:43 pm

gh wrote:Speedfirst DQed for multiple false starts.


You gonna ban STL for provoking??

I don't know about you, but repeatedly saying, "reading comprehension is not your friend"....to a black man, is gonna piss him off. So instead of seeming like a racist, I advise you to ban him aswell.
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Postby STL_Runner » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:51 pm

Gordon18 wrote:
gh wrote:Speedfirst DQed for multiple false starts.


You gonna ban STL for provoking??

I don't know about you, but repeatedly saying, "reading comprehension is not your friend"....to a black man, is gonna piss him off. So instead of seeming like a racist, I advise you to ban him aswell.

Now we're bringing in the race card? I have not the slightest clue whether Speedfirst is black, white, blue or green. I have never met him and have never seen a photo of him. I don't know what area of the country he lives in or how old he is.

I don't have any of my T&F books near me right now and I'd like to know a little more about Hal Davis. Avante knows his stuff and I'm interested to hear how his achievements should be considered over Ray Norton and Tyson Gay.
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Postby Ned Ryerson » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:39 pm

I think that Tyson Gay is clearly the best sprinter to have not won an Olympic medal (I understand if you want to limit the discussion to inactive/retired sprinters).

Ignoring relay medals, he's:
2007 World Champion at 100m and 200m
2009 World Championship silver medalist at 100m
The second fastest 100m runner in history
The third fastest 200m runner in history

And I would argue that his silver in Berlin was worth more than virtually every other gold awarded at the World Championships. To make a comparison, it would be like Lagat running 12:38 to take silver behind Bekele running 12:32.
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Postby Gordon18 » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:02 am

Tyson doesn't have an Olympic relay medal does he? or am i missing something.
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Postby STL_Runner » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:44 am

Gordon18 wrote:Tyson doesn't have an Olympic relay medal does he? or am i missing something.

He would if the US could get the stick around the track!
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Postby TrackDaddy » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:30 am

Ned Ryerson wrote:I think that Tyson Gay is clearly the best sprinter to have not won an Olympic medal (I understand if you want to limit the discussion to inactive/retired sprinters).

Ignoring relay medals, he's:
2007 World Champion at 100m and 200m
2009 World Championship silver medalist at 100m
The second fastest 100m runner in history
The third fastest 200m runner in history

And I would argue that his silver in Berlin was worth more than virtually every other gold awarded at the World Championships. To make a comparison, it would be like Lagat running 12:38 to take silver behind Bekele running 12:32.


What?!?

I can't believe you don't think its Hal Davis. :D

And sombody's protecting you, STL.

Imagine that...Must be nice.
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Postby Avante » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:08 am

STL_Runner wrote:
Gordon18 wrote:
gh wrote:Speedfirst DQed for multiple false starts.


You gonna ban STL for provoking??

I don't know about you, but repeatedly saying, "reading comprehension is not your friend"....to a black man, is gonna piss him off. So instead of seeming like a racist, I advise you to ban him aswell.

Now we're bringing in the race card? I have not the slightest clue whether Speedfirst is black, white, blue or green. I have never met him and have never seen a photo of him. I don't know what area of the country he lives in or how old he is.

I don't have any of my T&F books near me right now and I'd like to know a little more about Hal Davis. Avante knows his stuff and I'm interested to hear how his achievements should be considered over Ray Norton and Tyson Gay.


Davis tied both 10.2/9.4 WR's. Between 1940-43 he won 7 National Championships in the 100/200. Three times winning the double. As far as I know in that 4 year span he only lost two races. One to Barney Ewell the other to Payton Jordan. If the Olympics had been held in 40 and 44 there is a very real possibility he wins both doubles and 4x1's.
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