I am new to the T&F online blog -- but am old to following and participating in track and cross country in the Whittier and Southern Section CIF. Are any of you still discussing Richard Joyce and other great runners of that area and era? Richard Joyce and I went to elementary and high school together -- Sierra HS in Whittier. He was an excellent student -- majored in engineering at USC. His father was a high school teacher and his family always emphasized academics. Richard's older brother,Gordon, was a superb football player and hurdler at California HS in Whittier. It's hard to explain to those in other regions of the country how incredible track and field was in Southern California high schools and colleges of the 1960s. Hope this topic is still of interest, even though I am long gone from California.
We haven't been discussing Richard Joyce lately, however I do remember how good he was. You are right about track and field in Southern California during the 1960's. What year did you graduate from Sierra High School? Did you know a Lew Jones there? I believe he must have graduated around 1963. He was also a good half miler, but of course not as fast as Joyce. Where is Joyce today?
I still haven't found Dennis Carr, but I'm not giving up yet.
DoubleRBar wrote: still haven't found Dennis Carr, but I'm not giving up yet.
I have nothing to add about DC just that the name brings back memories. I grew up and live in the eastern midwest. When I first became interested in T&F I'd go to the HS library and read some scholastic magizine that listed the top HS track times in the country. At the top was Dennis Carr! As a young teenager I was in awe of his times. It is one of those names I will never forget that gave me a lifetime entrance into the world of track. Yes, I also am interested in his where abouts.
Why, yes, I know Lewis Jones very well. He was Sierra HS Class of 1963 -- classmate and good friends with my brother. Lewis was, indeed, a solid cross country runner and half miler. He went to nearby Whittier College where, in his senior year, joined by twin brothers (the Gove brothers, who graduated from Whittier's California HS in 1967) won, I believe, the NAIA distance relay. Lewis personified the work ethic of studies and training that made this era and area special in the 1960s. By the way (and I am long departed from LA and Whittier) a few years back Lewis tells me that there was a wonderful reunion of about75 Sierra HS track student athletes to honor long time wonderful coach Robert Dugard at coach Dugard's memorial service.
Any comments on last Sunday's big New York Times article about San Diego's class of 1966 sub 4 minute miler Tim Danielson? I actually was put off by the story because it devoted so much story to one individual's personal problems -- losing sight of track and field, esp the incredible talent of CIF Southern Section and CIF San Diego in the mid and late 1960s.
Thanks for responding. Hope the conversation grows and continues
apology to DoubeRBar -- I mistakenly did not address you in my post a few minutes ago about Lewis Jones and Sierra HS. Please continue the discussion. I have about forty years of pent up recollections, stories about CIF SS track of the late 1950s and 1960s and, later, UC Berkeley track and cross country of the late 1960s and early 1970s.
Coupla yrs ago Carl Trentadue was trying to locate Dennis in hopes of seeing him at ss/cal RR reunion I think /not sure ... But believe he located in Midwest they were' of course, teammates at USC. I'll have to ask Carl (Jesse) if that's correct
Read these latest responses to my original post re: Dennis Carr. I hope someone will be able to report an update on Dennis.
I think he was a great talent who never reached his potential...like most of us! At USC he did some good racing in the 800m, but I wish he would have concentrated on the 1500m/mile and kept competing for a few years. He never ran a sub 4 mile, but had the talent IMHO to run in the low 3:50's.
PV: Paul Wilson 16' 6 3/4*, Bob Steinhoff 16' 1" (same school), Paul Heglar 16' 3 "
SP: Carl Hubbell 67' 9 3/4", Dave Murphy 67' 2"
plus many others at or very near to the above . Add the 4x100 or 4x200 and ...
please excuse 'punctuation' as I am too lazy to format uniformly\\I think part of the appeal was the quality of the performances as well as the sheer number in some events, that were impressive. The CIF finals almost never disappointed
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GH-- maybe true, but not every high school kid--then or now-- could go to a "local" track meet and watch and collect autographs from Jim Ryun and Ron Clarke. Or go to a summer all-commers meet and watch Bob Seagren run an 880.
my point is that viewed from the point of living through it at the time, if you were in Nome and somebody ran 10.4 for 100y (first Alaskan ever to break 10.5!) in 1965, your memories of the era would be just as warm and fuzzy as somebody from SoCal in the same year.
Viewed from a statistical point of view decades later, nothing can touch SoCal, of course, but that wasn't my point.
Yeah, CIF-SS had a ton of great athletes back in the '60's and I competed against a lot of them including several future Olympians. But the only one who really left me in awe was Bobby Bonds... he was a freaking 18 year old superman.
Bobby's sister made the U.S. Olympic team in 1964. She was 8th in the 80 meter hurdles. I believe Bobby, if he had concentrated on track and field, could have been a world class long jumper. He was close to it in high school. He and Cordner Nelson went to the same high school.
Found Dennis Carr on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/dennism.carr.14?ref=ts&fref=ts Not much info . . . says he retired in '09 and enjoys poker, bowling, and fishing. A photo shows him in USC singlet with a baton. I sent him a message informing him of this message board and asked if he would post.
G.Ahearn wrote:Found Dennis Carr on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/dennism.carr.14?ref=ts&fref=ts Not much info . . . says he retired in '09 and enjoys poker, bowling, and fishing. A photo shows him in USC singlet with a baton. I sent him a message informing him of this message board and asked if he would post.