Matt wrote:Stacy Dragila? Are you having a laugh? Olympic gold in its first time as an OG event and WRs in its infancy years does not constitute Rushmore status, I'm afraid - particularly when Isinbayeva has taken the WR to completely different levels just a few seasons later.
Matt, you poor deluded boy - Stacy is BEYOND Mt. Rushmore! If she were up there, she would eclipse whatever other poor schlubs were up there also. She is the stars and the moon and the sun. Her fame and glory exceed all mortal acclaim. Isi is barely worthy of carrying her sportsbra! Prostrate yourself before her awesomeness!
Geez, Marlow!! And people think I'm creepy and obsessive and over the top about Mary Cain!!
Just KIDDING!! But when I read that, I just HAD to comment on it!!
As for Stacy, I see her as a sort of Moses figure. She led her people (event) out of bondage.....and led her flock of followers (all those wannabe female vaulters) to the Promised Land (OG Golds and WR's)..... BUT she wasn't allowed to enter (go over 16 feet) with them!!
Now, as for putting Mary Cain on Mt Rushmore.........
Owens, Bikila, Bannister, for certain. Then probably Nurmi, or maybe Thorpe in place of Nurmi. Bolt comes to mind for this list, but I'll make the excuse that he's still in his career, not that I would need any more evidence to put him up there.
For me, a necessary condition for this list is athletic excellence. But that criteria isn't sufficient -- for my version of this, there has to be some cultural context in which the athlete's accomplishment transcends the sport or changes its horizons of possibility. Thus, Owens, Bikila & Bannister are the ones about which I would be certain.
I realize it's an all-male cast of characters, but that's the way it goes for this answer. Mt. Rushmore is just one location, but T&F is two worlds (at least) -- men's & women's for starters. So, were I to create a women's Mt. Rushmore as well, for me, the list is much less certain. JJK would probably be the only one for which I might be relatively sure.
eldrick wrote:i woudn't put any middle distance runner <'70 on there - they didn't have africans to compete against
if you had current depth/talent of africans around in nurmi or bannister's times, they wouda won few if any golds & unlikely been 1st 4'00 miler
if it's going to be a middle distance runner, you've only real got geb or kennster who've competed against a "full" world
Hmm. Kiprugut and Keino were world-ranked for Kenya as early as 1964, if memory serves. And Alain Mimoun and Patrick Al Mabrouk were world-ranked in multiple events in the early 1950's, with Mimoun winning something like four Olympic medals running against guys like Zatopek. Though both are listed as running for France, both were in fact Algeria-born.