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Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Guest » Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:49 pm

With the current top ten thread going I was thinking perhaps a separate list of the best or most challenging doubles or triples or quad ever attempted.

I will throw out a couple that stick in my mind.

Alberto Juantoreno's 4/8 in 76.
Paige 8/1500 at NC's
Gatlin 100, 200, 110H, 4x1 in 01 SEC

I could name a few more but I think many of you will offer up some better ones.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Guest » Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:06 pm

Kratochovilova's 400/800 m at WC in 1983.
Nurmi's 1500/5000 m at 1924 Olys (on the same day, within one hour).
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby stevehj197 » Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:22 pm

doggone it cascade, the minute I started to read your thread I thought of Paige's double in 1979 at the NCAA in Champaign. I was there, and it was outtasight. But you beat me to it, so I will offer a second.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Arnie » Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:01 pm

Emil Zatopek, 5,10k and Mar.52 OG.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Guest » Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:25 pm

<Emil Zatopek, 5,10k and Mar.52 OG.>

An obvious one, and I can't understand how I "forgot" this!
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Devers66 » Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:55 pm

Gail Devers 100mH, 100m, & 4x1


Gail Devers 60m & 60mH
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby michael lewis » Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:14 pm

Jason Richardson managed a pretty impressive double last summer at the IAAF World Youth Championships in Sherbrooke, Quebec. At 19:08 on July 11 he won his semifinal in the 400 hurdles in 51.30, then 37 minutes later won the 110 hurdles final in 13.29. The next day he won the 400 hurdles final in 49.91.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby trackhead » Mon Nov 17, 2003 9:39 pm

The King of All Doubles

Jesse Owens Big 10s
May 25, 1935 Ann Arbor, MI
3:15pm 100y 9.4 EWR
3:25pm LJ 26'8.25" WR (until 1960)
3:45pm 220y (200m) 20.3 WRy(WRm)
4:00pm 220yIH (200mIH) 22.6 WRy(WRm)
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Powell » Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:40 pm

I believe Kratochvilova's double was tougher than any of the others'. Unlike the more recent Lewis/Johnson/Jones cases, nothing was done to the schedule to accomodate her in Helsinki. She had to run the 400 semi and the 800 final within one hour of each other, and still ended up running 1:54.68 in her second race, with a final 200 of 27.1 (I believe) !!! With more even pace, she could have broken the WR again then and there.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby trackhead » Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:52 am

>I believe Kratochvilova's double was tougher >than
>any of the others'. Unlike the more recent
>Lewis/Johnson/Jones cases, nothing was done to
>the schedule to accomodate her in Helsinki. She
>had to run the 400 semi and the 800 final within
>one hour of each other, and still ended up
>running 1:54.68 in her second race, with a final
>200 of 27.1 (I believe) !!! With more even pace,
>she could have broken the WR again then and
>there.

Yes, but she didn't do it on her own.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Guest » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:22 am

<The King of All Doubles
Jesse Owens Big 10s
May 25, 1935 Ann Arbor, MI
3:15pm 100y 9.4 EWR
3:25pm LJ 26'8.25" WR (until 1960)
3:45pm 220y (200m) 20.3 WRy(WRm)
4:00pm 220yIH (200mIH) 22.6 WRy(WRm)>

Not to take anything away from Owens and his day of days in Ann Arbor in 1935. The most demanding (perhaps not the same as outstanding?) doubles would look at the quality of the opposition in each event. If I remember correctly Owens at Ann Arbor had litttle serious challenge in most events. Running with a slightly injured back, he is supposed to have been totally relaxed (due to lack of competition?) and did not expect outstanding times/distances.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Guest » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:36 am

Slaney's 1500 / 3000 in 83 WC
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Guest » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:41 am

Kratochvilova's double had to the toughest I've ever seen. It one thing to race when your tired but to have to race with the lactic acid still fresh in your system from another long sprint race is just brutal.

Its not even close to the same thing but I did the 400 / 800 double as a 15 yr old in a State Championship Jr. olympic meet and all I remember is puking after the 800m and then realizing I had only 45 minutes to get ready for a 400m heat.

Long sprinters, endure some incredible things because of lactic acid buil-up. They have my utmost respect.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby michael lewis » Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:02 pm

"Kratochvilova's double had to the toughest I've ever seen. It one thing to race when your tired but to have to race with the lactic acid still fresh in your system from another long sprint race is just brutal."

Probably not as tough as it would seem at first glance. Imagine a man who could jog through a 400 semi in the Worlds a full 2 seconds off his 400 best and still qualify easily. Not even MJ could get away with that.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Pierre-Jean » Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:17 pm

If Helsinki's feat is not enough, take Jarmila's afternoon in 1981 Euopean Cup "B": 100m 11.31, 400m 52.10, 4x100m 44.60, 200m 22.40, 4x400m 49.2 anchor...

Or take one of her training cession at high altitude (hard for recovery!) in 1983 : 4x300m in 36.5 with 20 min reps between...

Kratochvílová reached places where no woman ever came talking about 400m specific endurance.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby michael lewis » Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:21 pm

"Kratochvílová reached places where no woman ever came talking about 400m specific endurance."

You can say that again.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Pierre-Jean » Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:29 pm

sorry, i don't master English language, i meant that she reached a level in sp. endurance that no woman had approached then. Since then, maybe Marita Koch, the others are far behind.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby michael lewis » Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:39 pm

"sorry, i don't master English language, i meant that she reached a level in sp. endurance that no woman had approached then. Since then, maybe Marita Koch, the others are far behind."

I totally agree. You can say that again.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Pierre-Jean » Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:07 pm

:-}
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Per Andersen » Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:04 pm

No list of "doubles" is complete without Mal Whitfield whom I was lucky enough to see run in his last great season 1953.
Since I have Cordner Nelson's fabulous work "Track's Greatest Champions" I'll just quote from it.
"Perhaps his (Whitfield's) greatest accomplishments came as a doubler. In one day of the 1948 Final Trial, he won the 800 in 1.50.6, ran a heat of 400 in 47.3, and won the final in 46.6. Indoors in 1953 he set a Madison Square Garden 880 record of 1.50.9 and came back little over an hour later with a World Record 600 in 1.09.5. On July 29, in Cologne, he ran a 1.48.4 800 and came back in 45 minutes with a 46.2 400. In Finland on August 16, he broke the 1000-meter World Record with 2.20.8. One hour later he ran his American Record 440 in 46.2"
Nuff Ced.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby BisonHurdler » Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:23 pm

"Imagine a man who could jog through a 400 semi in the Worlds a full 2 seconds off his 400 best and still qualify easily. Not even MJ could get away with that."




Um.........yes he could, and did, on regular occasion in championships.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby BisonHurdler » Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:33 pm

Well, i should correct myself......usually MJ was in the 44.5 range in the semis.......i had read it assuming you were talking about rounds. Disregard my last comment.
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby Guest » Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:14 am

What about Gerry Lindgren's double at the Kingston, Jamaica meet in the summer of '64, just out of high school? He ran 13:17 for 3 miles, then 4:01.5 for the mile. Remarkable!
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby abinferno » Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:44 pm

what about Lasse Viren, 10K/5K
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Re: Most challenging doubles in same meet

Postby MJR » Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:05 pm

Robert Korzeniowski's 20k & 50k double in Sydney. The combo of distances involved, competition level, risk of injury and chance of DQ make this the most impressive I can think of. He's also the only person to ever defend the 50k Gold.
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