OG record holder but not the gold medal winner


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OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby Guest » Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:32 pm

Just curious, is Igor Trandenkov the only athlete to hold an Olympic Games record (5.92 at the '96 OG) but not win the gold? He was first up the jumping order and cleared 5.92 to set the OG record, which Galfione then equaled but won the gold on misses. In the final standings, Trandenkov was given credit for the record & Galfione got credit for equalling the record.
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby stevehj197 » Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:07 pm

>Just curious, is Igor Trandenkov the only athlete
>to hold an Olympic Games record (5.92 at the '96
>OG) but not win the gold? He was first up the
>jumping order and cleared 5.92 to set the OG
>record, which Galfione then equaled but won the
>gold on misses. In the final standings,
>Trandenkov was given credit for the record &
>Galfione got credit for equalling the record.

It's happpeneed numerous times in the PV, not just in '96. Also twice in the HJ.

In 1968 Seagren, Schiprowski and Nordwig went 1-2-3 and they all jumped OR 17' 8 1/2";
in 1976 Slusarski, Kalliomaki and Roberts went 1-2-3 and all tied Nordwig's '92 OR of 18' 1/2";, lastly, in '96, which you mentioned, Tivontchik in 3rd also jumped same height as the first 2.

Same thing in HJ... 1960 Shavlakadze and Brumel both jumped 7'1" going 1-2 then in 1964 Brumel and Thomas both went 7' 1 3/4" going 1-2.
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby Guest » Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:31 pm

probably several heat times better than finals - Brendan Foster in '76 5000 for one. And l924 and '32 400H, where winner knocked hurdles, getting the gold but not WR (go figure) And, of course, Robert LeGendre setting LJ WR in Pentathlon, but no "OR" - and didn't even compete in LJ event. Several 100m guys - Lippincott 10.6 in heat, 3rd in 10.9 in 1912 final.
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby Pierre-Jean » Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:57 am

Yelena Gorchakova (URS) broke the Javelin Throw WR and OR in qualification in Tokyo'64 with 62.40, but then was a disillusioned bronce in final with 57.06 behind Penes (60.54) and Rudas (58.27).
This OR stood until 1972 Games!
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby Guest » Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:42 am

As I recall from my callow youth, Gorchakova's reaction was to shave her head bald.
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby dj » Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:01 am

1980 OG pentathlon:

WR at start of the competition was 4856 by Olga Kuragina. When they ran the 800 (final event), Kuragina was first in 2:03.6 (auto time rounded up). Following her by 1.2 seconds was Olga Rukavishnikova in 2:04.8 (auto, rounded), and trailing her by c.0.22 seconds was Nadezhda Tkachenko, in 2:05.02.

Tkachenko scored 5083, Rukavishnikova 4937, Kuragina 4875. Thus, all three broke the WR, and each briefly held the WR, Kuragina for 1.2 seconds and Rukavishnikova for c. 0.22 seconds, the briefest period anyone has held a WR.

The IAAF never ratified the Kuragina and Rukavishnikova WRs.
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:41 am

good comment DJ, I remember once theorizing about just such a possibilty in the Decathlon, not realizing it had actually happened in the Heptathlon ! May be silly, but why not give them their formal due ?

Have we had many cases where a field event record was not formally appoved just because another competitor did better minutes later ? I do not think so... believe it's happened in the PV
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby dj » Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:51 am

We've had many occasions on which the IAAF did not ratify marks because they had been bettered later in the same year.

Most of those probably occurred when national federations failed to forward marks for ratification because they had been surpassed.
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby gh » Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:19 am

Moscow wasn't the only Pentathlon with that scenario. Munich '72 saw Heide Rosendahl "hold the WR" for 1.12 seconds until Mary Peters crossed the line after her.
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby gh » Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:23 am

A truly comprehensive list of heat times that were faster than the finals would be rather long, starting with the 100 and 800 of 1896.
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Re: OG record holder but not the gold medal winner

Postby Guest » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:54 pm

<As I recall from my callow youth, Gorchakova's reaction was to shave her head bald.>

Are you sure? As I recall, defending champion Elvira Ozolina, cut (shaved) her hair
on coming in sixth(?). By the way, anyone out there know whether the children of top Oly champs (mother and father), ever became top athletes?

Examples. (1) Janis Lusis married Elvira Ozolina. (2) Valeriy Borzov married Lyudmila Turischeva (spelling?). The latter marriage should have produced the "fastest gymnasts" or "most gymnastic sprinters". And on a more serious note did Emil Zatopek and Dana Zatopkova have any children?
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