Most stunning single performances.


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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby pickle47 » Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:27 pm

Someone help me here, but wasn't there a hammer thrower from West Germany who surpassed the existing world record on all six of his throws in one meet? Or maybe it was five out of the six? I can picture him but can't remember his name (I say that a lot on this board). That qualifies as a stunner for me.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby gh » Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:31 am

In '75 Karl-Hans Riehm (WG) raised the WR four times in one meet, with all six throws over the previous record. It's the only such incident.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:05 am

I don't want to create a controversy, but it's gonna' happen anyway. I watched Flo Jo's 10.49 on TV and members of my family actually witnessed it. If Im' not mistaken, 99% of the 100 metr races men and women were wind-aided that day and the next day in the semi's and finals. However, the wind reading when Flo Jo ran 10.49 registered at 0.00. I found that hard to accept at the time. (Perhaps a faulty wind gauge).
Flo Jo' still ran 10.54 in the Olympic final and in my opinion that is the actual world Record.
(Regardless that was an amazing feat; and I feel like I let Flo Jo down by not being there to give her a big hug in her big moment).
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby The King » Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:01 am

>I don't want to create a controversy, but it's
>gonna' happen anyway. I watched Flo Jo's 10.49
>on TV and members of my family actually witnessed
>it. If Im' not mistaken, 99% of the 100 metr
>races men and women were wind-aided that day and
>the next day in the semi's and finals. However,
>the wind reading when Flo Jo ran 10.49 registered
>at 0.00. I found that hard to accept at the
>time. (Perhaps a faulty wind gauge).
Flo Jo'
>still ran 10.54 in the Olympic final and in my
>opinion that is the actual world
>Record.
(Regardless that was an amazing feat;
>and I feel like I let Flo Jo down by not being
>there to give her a big hug in her big moment).


JL, her 10.54s wouldn'tof been the WR either.
It was wind-aided by _3.0m/s follwoing wind (+1.0m/s over the allowable limit of +2.0m/s)

Many skeptics consider her 10.61s from the '88 Indianopolis OT to be the 'real-WR'.

If we discount any of Flo-Jo's records in the 100m or 200m, Marion Jones would be the double-WR holder, with her 10.65s & 21.62s double at the 1998 Johannesburg,Sotuh Africa (SA) World Cup.

Both races were great by their own standards, due to the fact that it was raining botrh times she ran those races, it was cold for both races, she had terrible RT's (quite rare for Marion, who normallyu has RT's of between 0.120-0.150s)
of 0.183s (100m) & 0.256s (200m).

Prehaps if conditions were better (sunny, wram, possibly hot) and she had good RT's (100m; 0.150s downwards, & 200m; 0.170s downwards) she could of come even closer to Flo-Jo's 'untouchables'.

But the again that's another 'What If'...
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:18 pm

what the heck. I'll submit a 'stunning single performance' nominee - an out-of-nowhere LJ WR (25'5 1/2)by Robert LeGendre(US) in '24 Olympic
PENTATHLON. Didn't compete in open LJ (won by DeHart Hubbard with 24'5). Well, it was probably pretty stunning at the time.. And he placed a disappointing 3rd in Pentathlon. (By the way - the Pentathlon should be brought back. A nice 1-day, easy to run (no 110H or PV) multi-event.)
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:37 pm

29'2 1/2 is the one, though. You remember where you were. I was on my way to watch at dorm (U.of New Mexico) but stopped by student union building to check AP tickertape. Not sure if it was misprint, I went on to dorm lobby where about 40 people were watching "live" broadcast and said "Beamon's gonna pop a big one - in that thin air, I say 29'-plus! Anyone wanna put money on it?" Good thing there were no takers.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Piglet » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:01 pm

Both of Coe's 800 WRs, and his 1000 WR, were incredible performances for '79 and '81...But I suppose his first 800 record must have been the most "shocking" to track fans...
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby DentyCracker » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:41 am

I believe I was drinking milk straight from the source when Beamon made that jump. :D
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby DentyCracker » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:48 am

I saw MJ's 19.32 with my younger brother at home, we were both supposed to be at the hospital in class, and it is the most amazing thing I have ever seen. I saw Edwards' jumps and they were pretty amazing. I was very impressed with Butch Reynolds' 43.29 especially the last 50m where he refused to die. 1991 had quite a few special moments Powell LJ, Carl's amazing last 60m.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:29 am

Here's a fun one to kick around--what is THE or at least ONE of the most stunning single performances in track & field history?

That would be 98.48 m in the javelin. J. Zelezy without a doubt.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:07 am

as a former hj'er, the one that surprised me the most was Matzdorf's 7' 6 1/4." Just loved it.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby tafnut » Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:32 am

Have we forgotten Uwe Hohn's insane 104.80? 5% better than Petranoff's WR. They had to change the whole event.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Arnie » Fri Oct 17, 2003 8:08 am

I have to agree with bforsyth Beamon's jump at the time was unbelievable.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Fri Oct 17, 2003 9:11 am

Saw MJ's 200m in person so that's always going to be my #1, but I can't fathom seeing a High School kid throw 80+ feet in the shot put as Carter did. Hell I'm not sure the SP pit here in Ohio at the state meet could handle an 80 foot put - it would likely clear the stadium wall.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:30 am

Coe's first 800 record. I saw the results in the newspaper (I was a teenager at the time) and thought it was a misprint. Then I saw the race on TV (have it on tape now - "Born To Run"). Way ahead of his time. More stunning than altitude and wind aided Beamon, or MJ's 200 - which was aided by the rock hard Mondo track (and whatever else). Look at the silver and bronze guys in MJ's race, they never came close to those times again either.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:10 pm

I realize that all of the performances listed are in the world record/world class arena, let us not forget Mike Carer's HSR of 81-3.5.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:12 pm

oops......I missed the post post prior to mine about Mike Carter.......
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:43 pm

How about Houston McTear's WR in the 100 while in HS...I believe somewhere in the neighborhood of 9 flat...
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby maccky » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:59 pm

Has to be Michel Carter 81 foot toss.Nobody has come close in High School.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:30 am

A poster wrote of Griffith-Joyner's 10.49 100M and 10.61 100 semi at the '88 Olympic Trials "but what was she on I wonder?"

I thought such speculation w/o proof was prohibited from this board????
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Sat Oct 18, 2003 7:48 am

I quess if you are already dead it doesn't matter???
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:57 am

I'll tell ya' what Flo Jo was on.
Heavy doses of PRAYER accentuated by FAITH, supported by a loving family and million of fans. Not to mention, a great work ethic.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby The King » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:41 am

>I'll tell ya' what Flo Jo was on.
Heavy doses of
>PRAYER accentuated by FAITH, supported by a
>loving family and million of fans. Not to
>mention, a great work ethic.



That's right!
Praise the lord!!!
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Powell » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:52 am

OK, so she did have an unfair advantage over her competitors. It's about time WADA developed a test for it...
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:41 am

I believe Tommie Smith's 19.5 was on cinders?
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:43 am

There is a pretty remarkable women's High school javelin mark still on the books. Hats off to the originator of this thread!
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 22, 2003 5:46 pm

Thank you....
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:35 pm

At the time, this was stunning - a vaulter breaking a major barrier on first of THREE WRs in one night (5 1/2" WR improvement) Anyone remember..?
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:44 am

flat out guess without even thinking about it... was it Issaksson the night he got 'way up to about 18'9" ? with old wr in or out about 18'2" ?

I do not like to guess about things like this, prefer to look them up, but T&FN's are at home and I'm at work.

If not him, maybe Warmerdam back in 1940 or so the night he jumped 15' 8" 'ish, higher even than his outdoor record that last so long.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:48 am

I typed in one answer, but I think it did not go thru do I'll start over.

Guessing here, no T&FN's to help me...


Pentti Nikula the night he ended up at about 16' 8"
Otherwise Warmerdam the night he got up to 15' 8 1/2.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:51 am

and my prior one did go through..

ignore the Issakson stuff... I was thinking of Nikula.

Need help here !
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:51 am

Nikula. 5.00,5.05,5.10(16'8 3/4). Then 2 good tries at 17'! '63 was a great year for looking for latest vault record in the paper every day.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby tandfman » Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:35 am

>Nikula. 5.00,5.05,5.10(16'8 3/4). Then 2 good
tries at 17'! '63 was a great year for looking
for latest vault record in the paper every day.<

And that is why I wouldn't put any of those records in the "stunning" category. It was a new era with a totally new pole, and records were being set all the time. When you have an essentially new event, you expect frequent records. (Wait 'till you see what lies ahead in the Women's steeple once it starts to become a part of the standard program.)

The real stunners are those like Beamon's and Johnson's that came in events with long histories and gradual record improvement before the stunner.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Olegi2 » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:09 pm

Cow's Milk?
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:34 am

In my lifetime (since '48) I think these would rank highly -
Davis and Southern under 50 in the '56 FOT
John Thomas over 7'3 3/4 at the '60 FOT when no-one else had jumped 7'1 (without a built-up shoe)
Peter Snell running 1:44.8y in a relay just after the '60 OG in pouring rain in London (being there at the age of 11 I was mightily impressed)
Clarke's 27:39.4 (more than half a minute off his own WR)
Beamon's 29'2 1/2 - and the shock of Mike Powell's 29'4 1/2
Hohn's 104.80 (and Zelezny's 98.48 - equivalent to around 108 (or 354' in imperial measurement)
Bubka's soaring winning vault in Seoul '88
Wang's 10k record in 1993, which left me stunned in the same way that the 10.49 (and 10.54w in Seoul) did.
Johnson's 19.32 (19.313)
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby DentyCracker » Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:39 am

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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:21 pm

These preformances are just what if's ( truly what if's as far as being real and leagal throws

Randy Barnes 79'2 practice throw
Brain Oldfields 84 ft foul
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Per Andersen » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:47 pm

I always felt it was stunning to see Alberto Juantorena run the 800 at the Montreal Olympics in '76. I hardly knew that he had run an 800 before the games. It was like seeing a man running with boys.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:08 pm

Call Smith's mark a 20.00 or
>whatever you want. It doesn't matter, because
>it's all relative. Johnson took an insane 0.3 off
>a sprint record, Smith took 0.5 off, period. You
>can think Johnson's mark is more impressive.
>Fine. But he didn't lower the record by as much
>as Smith did. Is that so hard to understand?

I understand what GH is saying. The issue is whether the old 20.0 straight record was as strong as the 19.66 mark. Given the 0.3 adjustment, the 20.0 was not as good as the curve WR at the time, so breaking a weak record by 0.5 is not as impressive as breaking a strong record by 0.34. And don't forget the fuzziness of hand-timing vs. auto timing. All of this to say that Johnson's improvement is more impressive when we get through the proper adjustments.
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Re: Most stunning single performances.

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:10 pm

>Wang Junxia breaks the 10k, 5k, and 3k WRs...in
>the same race.

I was stunned to, until she and 4 other broke the 3k record in the SEMIS 2 days later, then she broke the 1500 record the next day, then she and 5 others again broke the 3k WR the following day! At that point I started having lots of questions and I've discounted these marks ever since. See my article in the FAST Newsletter in 96 and my posts on t-and-f for more on that issue.
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