Someone help me here, but wasn't there a hammer thrower from West Germany who surpassed the existing world record on all six of his throws in one meet? Or maybe it was five out of the six? I can picture him but can't remember his name (I say that a lot on this board). That qualifies as a stunner for me.
I don't want to create a controversy, but it's gonna' happen anyway. I watched Flo Jo's 10.49 on TV and members of my family actually witnessed it. If Im' not mistaken, 99% of the 100 metr races men and women were wind-aided that day and the next day in the semi's and finals. However, the wind reading when Flo Jo ran 10.49 registered at 0.00. I found that hard to accept at the time. (Perhaps a faulty wind gauge).
Flo Jo' still ran 10.54 in the Olympic final and in my opinion that is the actual world Record.
(Regardless that was an amazing feat; and I feel like I let Flo Jo down by not being there to give her a big hug in her big moment).
>I don't want to create a controversy, but it's
>gonna' happen anyway. I watched Flo Jo's 10.49
>on TV and members of my family actually witnessed
>it. If Im' not mistaken, 99% of the 100 metr
>races men and women were wind-aided that day and
>the next day in the semi's and finals. However,
>the wind reading when Flo Jo ran 10.49 registered
>at 0.00. I found that hard to accept at the
>time. (Perhaps a faulty wind gauge).
>still ran 10.54 in the Olympic final and in my
>opinion that is the actual world
(Regardless that was an amazing feat;
>and I feel like I let Flo Jo down by not being
>there to give her a big hug in her big moment).
JL, her 10.54s wouldn'tof been the WR either.
It was wind-aided by _3.0m/s follwoing wind (+1.0m/s over the allowable limit of +2.0m/s)
Many skeptics consider her 10.61s from the '88 Indianopolis OT to be the 'real-WR'.
If we discount any of Flo-Jo's records in the 100m or 200m, Marion Jones would be the double-WR holder, with her 10.65s & 21.62s double at the 1998 Johannesburg,Sotuh Africa (SA) World Cup.
Both races were great by their own standards, due to the fact that it was raining botrh times she ran those races, it was cold for both races, she had terrible RT's (quite rare for Marion, who normallyu has RT's of between 0.120-0.150s)
of 0.183s (100m) & 0.256s (200m).
Prehaps if conditions were better (sunny, wram, possibly hot) and she had good RT's (100m; 0.150s downwards, & 200m; 0.170s downwards) she could of come even closer to Flo-Jo's 'untouchables'.
what the heck. I'll submit a 'stunning single performance' nominee - an out-of-nowhere LJ WR (25'5 1/2)by Robert LeGendre(US) in '24 Olympic
PENTATHLON. Didn't compete in open LJ (won by DeHart Hubbard with 24'5). Well, it was probably pretty stunning at the time.. And he placed a disappointing 3rd in Pentathlon. (By the way - the Pentathlon should be brought back. A nice 1-day, easy to run (no 110H or PV) multi-event.)
29'2 1/2 is the one, though. You remember where you were. I was on my way to watch at dorm (U.of New Mexico) but stopped by student union building to check AP tickertape. Not sure if it was misprint, I went on to dorm lobby where about 40 people were watching "live" broadcast and said "Beamon's gonna pop a big one - in that thin air, I say 29'-plus! Anyone wanna put money on it?" Good thing there were no takers.
I saw MJ's 19.32 with my younger brother at home, we were both supposed to be at the hospital in class, and it is the most amazing thing I have ever seen. I saw Edwards' jumps and they were pretty amazing. I was very impressed with Butch Reynolds' 43.29 especially the last 50m where he refused to die. 1991 had quite a few special moments Powell LJ, Carl's amazing last 60m.
Saw MJ's 200m in person so that's always going to be my #1, but I can't fathom seeing a High School kid throw 80+ feet in the shot put as Carter did. Hell I'm not sure the SP pit here in Ohio at the state meet could handle an 80 foot put - it would likely clear the stadium wall.
Coe's first 800 record. I saw the results in the newspaper (I was a teenager at the time) and thought it was a misprint. Then I saw the race on TV (have it on tape now - "Born To Run"). Way ahead of his time. More stunning than altitude and wind aided Beamon, or MJ's 200 - which was aided by the rock hard Mondo track (and whatever else). Look at the silver and bronze guys in MJ's race, they never came close to those times again either.
>Nikula. 5.00,5.05,5.10(16'8 3/4). Then 2 good
tries at 17'! '63 was a great year for looking
for latest vault record in the paper every day.<
And that is why I wouldn't put any of those records in the "stunning" category. It was a new era with a totally new pole, and records were being set all the time. When you have an essentially new event, you expect frequent records. (Wait 'till you see what lies ahead in the Women's steeple once it starts to become a part of the standard program.)
The real stunners are those like Beamon's and Johnson's that came in events with long histories and gradual record improvement before the stunner.
In my lifetime (since '48) I think these would rank highly -
Davis and Southern under 50 in the '56 FOT
John Thomas over 7'3 3/4 at the '60 FOT when no-one else had jumped 7'1 (without a built-up shoe)
Peter Snell running 1:44.8y in a relay just after the '60 OG in pouring rain in London (being there at the age of 11 I was mightily impressed)
Clarke's 27:39.4 (more than half a minute off his own WR)
Beamon's 29'2 1/2 - and the shock of Mike Powell's 29'4 1/2
Hohn's 104.80 (and Zelezny's 98.48 - equivalent to around 108 (or 354' in imperial measurement)
Bubka's soaring winning vault in Seoul '88
Wang's 10k record in 1993, which left me stunned in the same way that the 10.49 (and 10.54w in Seoul) did.
Johnson's 19.32 (19.313)
Call Smith's mark a 20.00 or
>whatever you want. It doesn't matter, because
>it's all relative. Johnson took an insane 0.3 off
>a sprint record, Smith took 0.5 off, period. You
>can think Johnson's mark is more impressive.
>Fine. But he didn't lower the record by as much
>as Smith did. Is that so hard to understand?
I understand what GH is saying. The issue is whether the old 20.0 straight record was as strong as the 19.66 mark. Given the 0.3 adjustment, the 20.0 was not as good as the curve WR at the time, so breaking a weak record by 0.5 is not as impressive as breaking a strong record by 0.34. And don't forget the fuzziness of hand-timing vs. auto timing. All of this to say that Johnson's improvement is more impressive when we get through the proper adjustments.
>Wang Junxia breaks the 10k, 5k, and 3k WRs...in
>the same race.
I was stunned to, until she and 4 other broke the 3k record in the SEMIS 2 days later, then she broke the 1500 record the next day, then she and 5 others again broke the 3k WR the following day! At that point I started having lots of questions and I've discounted these marks ever since. See my article in the FAST Newsletter in 96 and my posts on t-and-f for more on that issue.