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old hurdles?

Postby Guest » Thu May 08, 2003 5:43 am

The high schools and colleges used to run low hurdles at 220yd and then 180yd distances. My questions are how many hurdles were in each and what were the spacings used for the hurdle placement. I remember that the final high school record for 180yd lows around a turn was 18.1 sec. by 3 athletes. Can anyone help me out with these questions?
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Re: old hurdles?

Postby gh » Thu May 08, 2003 7:38 am

220H had 10 barriers
20y to first hurdle, 20y between, 20y to finish.

180H had 8 barriers
20y to first hurdle, 20y between, 20y to finish

The logic is stunning! :-)
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Re: old hurdles?

Postby dj » Thu May 08, 2003 11:27 am

And in the ten-or-so years in between, we had the 200y hurdles: 10 hurdles, 20y to start, 18y in between and to finish. Came in at the same time as the 120H was dropped from 42" to 39", and when the DT weight was changed from 2kg to 1.6kg.
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Re: old hurdles?

Postby Guest » Wed May 14, 2003 10:45 pm

Until you wrote "I remember that the final high school record for 180yd lows around a turn was 18.1 sec. by 3 athletes" I thought I had seen the best of the "long low hurdles" in 1947 when Harrison Dillard (a 1948 Olympic champion) ran 22.3 for 220 yards hurdles on the straightaway in winning at the 1947 NCAA championship meet in Salt Lake City.
This oldtimer remebers another event, the 120 yard low hurdles -- five flights with 20 yards between each. It was conducted at the start of 20th century; and it was still around in the late 1950s and into the 1960s as part of the Northwest Veterans competition in Seattle, a movement that later grew and became known as "Masters." I believe the 120 yard lows are still contested in Australia.
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Re: old hurdles?

Postby dj » Thu May 15, 2003 7:13 am

The 120y lows was a common high school event in the US until the 330 intermediates came in in the very early 1970s. The standard race before the 330s was the 180 lows, but schools without 220y straights and with small budgets (maybe only 30 or 40 hurdles) would run 120 lows in dual and tri meets.
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Re: old hurdles?

Postby Guest » Thu May 15, 2003 8:49 am

castronova(?), caminiti, mccollough. i'm thinkin it was straightaway though. was that part of your question or ...
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Re: old hurdles?

Postby Guest » Fri May 16, 2003 5:51 am

I'm going to back track on record, 18.1 was on the straight, Don Castronova, Steve Caminti and Earl McCullough. The turn record was 18.3, maybe by McCullough. The more I think about the low hurdle events the more I think they should be brought back. The hurdles are just fun and adding an event that requires raw speed and technical skill would be great. Everyone knows that high hurdlers must 3 step and the best intermediate hurdlers 13 step, but what does 20 yards between hurdles require? Start digging up the old, old coaching manuals. Does anyone know why they were dropped or lost favor?
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Re: old hurdles?

Postby dj » Fri May 16, 2003 6:03 am

Low Hurdles were dropped at the NCAA level after 1959 at the urging of the progressive NCAA coaches who realized that the event required little more than speed. The best at the event were sprinters (Dave Sime, Charlie Tidwell among them).

The coaches wanted to move toward the international events, and the switch from 220LH to 440IH came in the same year (1959) as switching from 2M to 3M, adding the Steeple and TJ, and bringing back the HT.

The high schools took longer to follow the lead of the NCAA.
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Re: old hurdles?

Postby 1.97hjsteve » Fri May 16, 2003 8:11 am

Memory tells me that the 330 IH were sandwiched in there for 4 or 5 years at the NCAA level, is that right ?
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Re: old hurdles?

Postby gh » Fri May 16, 2003 8:39 am

300H never run at Nationals level, but for much of the '60s a lot of dual-meet and conference action was of the 300H variety.

My frosh year of college (spring of '66), back when there was still a separate frosh team, we only ran the 300H.
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