Tommie SMITH versus Michael JOHNSON...


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Re: Tommie SMITH versus Michael JOHNSON...

Postby Per Andersen » Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:20 pm

Squire and No one.
You are absolutely correct. I love to play this game and have for more years than I care to remember. However, I just saw the word "100%" and went straight for the keyboard. Good point about Smith and M.J. being the only guys considered.
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Re: Tommie SMITH versus Michael JOHNSON...

Postby gh » Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:34 am

i FINALLY got around to watching the clips cited many posts back and two things shocked me about my main man, Tommie Smith, since I hadn't seen footage of him in years:

1. He's not nearly as smooth as I recalled him. Much more of the "gangly" sort than I remembered. Suspect that's because in the interim everybody else has smoothed out a lot and he was just ahead of his time.

2. Even though I know that it's impossible ("impossible"?), I swear that he lifts and accelerates--maybe even accelerates significantly--with 50m to go. The Tommie Jet gear in action. What strikes me is th at it isn't a gradual pull-way; he just suddenly stomps on it, and he's suddenly moving faster than every one else; surely everybody else couldn't have decided to slow at the same time!

(apropos to that last, I do recall Bud Winter once saying that Tommie was still accelerating at the end of his 19.5. He based that--true or not--on the fact that nobody else had run in that lane that day (on dirt) and he went out and measured every one of his strides for the whole race, and they were still getting longer at the end)

ps--I still say Tommie beats MJ, particularly if the lane draw is favorable.
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Re: Tommie SMITH versus Michael JOHNSON...

Postby The King » Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:11 pm

2. Even though I know that it's
>impossible ("impossiapropos to
>that last, I do recall Bud Winter once saying
>that Tommie was still accelerating at the end of
>his 19.5.

Bud Winter is correct. Tommie Smith achieved a peak speed of 11.95m/s (26.73mph) in the final stages of his 19.5s.
He covered the last 20 yards of this race in 1.53s. This split comes from J-C.Patinaud's book; 200m et 220y Temps Automatiques.

It has been mentioned by Pierre-Jean on several Track & Field message boards and forums.
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Re: Tommie SMITH versus Michael JOHNSON...

Postby Guest » Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:24 pm

What a possibility. I'd pick TS in a close 4 but Mj by a little wider margin in the 2. When do they go at it.
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