Legal 9.0 100 yds, & "Skeets" query


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Legal 9.0 100 yds, & "Skeets" query

Postby Guest » Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:26 am

Two questions gang. Did Ivory Crockett run a legal 9.0 hundred dash, and if so, is he the only athlete to do so?

If Nehemiah was covering the 110 high's in 12.91, does anyone have any idea what his best 100 M time was? No hurdles.

Thanks, I've always wondered about the latter- Bijan
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:26 am

It was handtimed, as was Houston McTear in 75. I believe Dr. Franklin Delano Meriweather ran a wind-aided 9.0 flat and one other person whom I was given the name of sometime ago, but I think the toxic fumes in the air may have fogged my memory.
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:28 am

The question was asked: "If Nehemiah was covering the 110 high's in 12.91, does anyone have any idea what his best 100 M time was? No hurdles."
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I can't provide a 100m time for Nehemiah but do note that he won the 1979 ACC 200m in 20.37.
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby tafnut » Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:55 pm

A. Nehemiah's PR was 12.93 ('81)
B. In 1979, when he ran 13.00, he ran the 100 in 10.24, which is probably his PR. He was probably capable of close to 10.00.
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Wed Sep 17, 2003 5:31 pm

If the IAAF ever does change the hurdles (when they go to new WRs, they might as well tweak as many events as possible so there's a "reason" for change), they should cut it to 100m (like the women) so that the relative speed with/without hurdles would be evident.

It would blow people away to see just how fast these guys run with brriers in their way
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:46 am

>If the IAAF ever does change the hurdles (when
>they go to new WRs, they might as well tweak as
>many events as possible so there's a "reason"
>for change), they should cut it to 100m (like the
>women) so that the relative speed with/without
>hurdles would be evident.

It would blow people
>away to see just how fast these guys run with
>barriers in their way

I tell kids that Allen Johnson's AR is an average of 4.31 per 40y with three-and-a-half foot barriers in the way. It blows their minds.

Also, I think I read somewhere that Skeets was credited with an 18.8 split on a 4x200 at Penn. Can anyone comment on that?
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby The King » Sat Oct 18, 2003 11:37 am

>>If the IAAF ever does change the hurdles
>(when
>they go to new WRs, they might as well
>tweak as
>many events as possible so there's a
>"reason"
>for change), they should cut it to
>100m (like the
>women) so that the relative
>speed with/without
>hurdles would be
>evident.

It would blow people
>away to see
>just how fast these guys run with
>barriers in
>their way

I tell kids that Allen Johnson's AR
>is an average of 4.31 per 40y with
>three-and-a-half foot barriers in the way. It
>blows their minds.

Also, I think I read
>somewhere that Skeets was credited with an 18.8
>split on a 4x200 at Penn. Can anyone comment on
>that?

According to J-C Patinaud's book 4x100m Temps Automatiques 1932-1990, Track & Field News and ATFS Athletics Annuals, the fastest time ever credited for 'Skeets' is 19.4s in Philadelphia in 1979.
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Sat Oct 18, 2003 12:16 pm

According to J-C
>Patinaud's book 4x100m Temps Automatiques
>1932-1990, Track & Field News and ATFS Athletics
>Annuals, the fastest time ever credited for
>'Skeets' is 19.4s in Philadelphia in 1979.


That's still awful darn fast. How does this compare to the best known 4x200 relay splits?
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Sat Oct 18, 2003 5:47 pm

According to J-C
>Patinaud's book 4x100m Temps Automatiques
>1932-1990, Track & Field News and ATFS Athletics
>Annuals, the fastest time ever credited for
>'Skeets' is 19.4s in Philadelphia in 1979.>

I was there for that one and it was pretty awesome. We didn't realize at the time it was merely a warmup.
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby The King » Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:50 am

It compares quite good.

The 30 fastest 200m legs ever, from J-C Patinaud's book 4x100m Temps Automatiques 1932-1990, Track & Field News and ATFS Athletics Annuals:

18.5s? Michael JOHNSON (1m:21.77s Austin'90)
19.1s John REGIS (1m:19.10s Walnut'94)
19.2s M.Johnson (1m:21.50s Walnut'91)
19.2s Carl LEWIS (1m:19.11s Philadelphia'92)
19.2s M.Johnson (1m:19.47s Philadelphia'99)
19.2s Maurice GREENE (1m:20.44s Austin'01)
19.3s* Tommie SMITH (1m:21.7s* Fresno'67)
19.3s James GILKES (1m:20.23s Tempe'78 )
19.3s Dennis MITCHELL (1m:19.10s Walnut'94)
19.4s Tony DARDEN (1m:21.8s Tempe'78 )
/10
19.4s Reynaldo NEHEMIAH (1m:23.6s Philadelphia'79)
19.4s C.Lewis (1m:21.84s Modesto'88 )
19.4s C.Lewis (1m:18.68s Walnut'94)
19.5s Vernus RAGADALE (Walnut'64)
19.5s* Curtis MILLS (1m:21.3s* Des Moines'70)
19.5s Herman FRAZIER (1m:21.0s Tempe'78 )
19.5s Tony DEES (1m:21.38s Tempe'90)
19.6s* Don QUARRIE (1m:20.7s* Los Angeles'72)
19.6s Willie DECKARD (1m:21.6s* Walnut'72)
19.6e* Steve WILLIAMS (1m:23.1s Fresno'74)
/20
19.6s William MULLINS (1m:20.26s Tempe'78 )
19.6s C.Lewis (3m:11.72s SpMedley Tempe'84)
19.6s C.Lewis (3m:12.2s SpMedley Walnut'84)
19.6s Floyd HEARD (1m:19.38s Koblenz'89)
19.6s C.Lewis (1m:19.38s Koblenz'89)
19.6s Lary MYRICKS (1m:21.40s Tempe'90)
19.6s F.Heard (1m:22.98 Walnut'91)
19.6s Leroy BURRELL (1m:18.68s Walnut'94)
19.6s M.Greene (1m:19.92s Philadelphia'00)
19.6s M.Johnson (1m:21.45s Berlin'01)

Note: Steve Williams was timed by several watches between 19.2s* and 19.7s* in Fresno'74 during 1m:23.1s*.

* yards times converted to meters.

The all-time list is for sub1:20 performances (average 20.00s):
1m:18.68s USA (Marsh 20.0s, Burrell 19.6s, Heard 19.7s, Lewis 19.4s) Walnut 17/04/94

1m:19.10s W (Drummond 20.4s, Mitchell 19.3s, Bridgewater 20.3s, Regis 19.1s) Walnut 17/04/94

1m:19.11s USA (Marsh 20.4s, Burrell 19.7s, Heard 19.8s, Lewis 19.2s) Philadelphia 25/04/92

1m:19.38s USA (Everett 20.2s, Burrell 20.0s, Heard 19.6s, Lewis 19.6s) Koblenz 23/08/89

1m:19.39s USA (Drummond, Crawford, Williams, Greene) Philadelphia 28/04/01

1m:19.45s USA (DeLoach, Burrell, Lewis, Heard) Philadelphia 27/04/91

1m:19.47s USA (Brokenburr, Harrison, Greene, Johnson 19.2s) Philadelphia 24/04/99

1m:19.67s W (Frater, Williams, Patton, Collins) Philadelphia 29/04/00

1m:19.85s USA (Greene, A.Johnson, Harrison, M.Johnson) Philadelphia 25/04/98

1m:19.88s W (Thompson, Nordin, Henderson, Griffin) Austin 03/04/99

1m:19.91s W (Perry, Drummond, Boldon, Greene) Austin 03/04/99

1m:19.92s USA (Brokenburr 20.2s, Howard 20.1s, Griffin 20.0s, Greene 19.6s) Philadelphia 29/04/00

Unofficial World Best progression
20.3s Henry CARR (Walnut 280462)
20.3s Henry CARR (Los Angeles 180562)
19.8s Henry CARR (Fresno 110563)
19.5s Vernus RAGADALE (Walnut 250464)
19.3s* Tommie SMITH (Walnut 130567)
19.3s James GILKES (Tempe 270578)
18.5s? Michael JOHNSON (Austin 060490)
19.2s Michael JOHNSON (Walnut 210491)
19.2s Carl LEWIS (Philadelphia 250492)
19.1s John REGIS (1:19.10s Walnut 170494)


For the women,there is not enough data to make a deep list, the fastest found are:
20.8s Marion JONES (1:27.46s Philadelphia'00)
21.2s M.Jones (1m:30.23s Philadelphia'99)
21.9s Nanceen PERRY (1m:31.90s Austin'98 )
22.0s Sonia LANNAMAN (1m:31.57s London'77)
22.1s Sevatheda FYNES (1m:31.13s Philadelphia'99)

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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:24 am

To answer your Skeets inquiry, check out the University of Maryland's athletic website. It provides a listing of all the school records posted by its track athletes.

As far as the 9.0 question, I believe the others have provided enough answers in detail without me having to go into it.
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:19 am

HOUSTON MCTEAR 9.0,,8.9,,8.8 WIND AIDED

SKEETS RAN AT 79 PENN RELAYS ONE OF TRACKS GREATEST FEATS ALL TIME BARR NONE.

LATER
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby 6 5.5hjsteve » Mon Oct 20, 2003 12:54 pm

where did this "8.9, 8.8 wind aided" stuff come from ?

I myself ran 8.6 in 19whenever.... my grandmother was timing me, the course was downhill ( actually I fell off a cliff ), and the watch had sand in it......

Enough already !!!!
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:15 pm

I tell kids that Allen Johnson's AR
>is an average of 4.31 per 40y with
>three-and-a-half foot barriers in the way. It
>blows their minds.

Ahh, not impressed! I'm sure there are a million football guys who could run a 40 that fast.

[Tongue FIRMLY in cheek.]
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Pierre-Jean » Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:01 am

X King,

The 19.4 for Renaldo Nehemiah was quote in Track & Field News (June 1979 issue, "Accurate 200 splits are always tough to take, but 19.4 was the figure most commonly attribute to Nehemiah), not in Patinaud nor ATFS Annual.
Also, Renaldo himself told me that it was 19.2...
Anyway, it was fast! lol

The list you quoted is a copy of the one i wrote to the run-down forum, and if you allow myslef to do it, i would add the 19.4 by Jeff Williams during a mixed relay in Sheffield'96 run in 1:28.68 (not sure if 1:28.68 is the official time).
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby The King » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:44 am

>X King,

The 19.4 for Renaldo Nehemiah was
>quote in Track & Field News (June 1979 issue,
>"Accurate 200 splits are always tough to take,
>but 19.4 was the figure most commonly attribute
>to Nehemiah), not in Patinaud nor ATFS Annual.
>
Also, Renaldo himself told me that it was
>19.2...
Anyway, it was fast! lol

The list you
>quoted is a copy of the one i wrote to the
>run-down forum, and if you allow myslef to do it,
>i would add the 19.4 by Jeff Williams during a
>mixed relay in Sheffield'96 run in 1:28.68 (not
>sure if 1:28.68 is the official time).

I know. I was just quoting the sources mentioned that you used.

By the way,just out of inetrest, what was Jeff Williams 200m PR???
Was it 19.85s??
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby BisonHurdler » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:53 am

"If the IAAF ever does change the hurdles (when they go to new WRs, they might as well tweak as many events as possible so there's a "reason" for change), they should cut it to 100m (like the women) so that the relative speed with/without hurdles would be evident.

It would blow people away to see just how fast these guys run with brriers in their way"





There is no way that will ever happen. In fact, several people have been lobbying to increase the distance between the hurdles, while trying to keep the 110m total distance. But that would be cutting it very close.

Attempting to squeeze 10 hurdles into 100m for men would be absurd at best.
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby The King » Wed Oct 22, 2003 6:57 am

By the
>way,just out of inetrest, what was Jeff Williams
>200m PR???
Was it 19.85s??


Don't worry I got it.

For anyone who's interested.

Jeff Williams' 200m PR:
19.87s(Wind: +1.2m/s)
1st place, Fresno 13th of April 1996
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Re: Legal 9.0 100 yds, &

Postby Guest » Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:21 am

There is no way
>that will ever happen. In fact, several people
>have been lobbying to increase the distance
>between the hurdles, while trying to keep the
>110m total distance. But that would be cutting
>it very close.

Attempting to squeeze 10
>hurdles into 100m for men would be absurd at
>best.>>

When I first made that post I assumed people would take it as a given that the number of hurdles would have to be reduced to 9.
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