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¶2012 OG: w5000–Meseret Defar (Eth) 15:04.26

Postby dj » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:54 pm

T&FN formchart advancers to final

1. Vivian Cheruiyot (Kenya)
2. Meseret Defar (Ethiopia)
3. Sally Kipyego (Kenya)
4. Viola Kibiwott (Kenya)
5. Gelete Burka (Ethiopia)

6. Genet Ayalew (Ethiopia)
7. Molly Huddle (USA)
8. Olga Golovkina (Russia)
9. Yelena Nagovichina (Russia)

10. Sara Moreira (Portugal)

Also advancing:
Tirunesh Dibaba (Eth)
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby 4:24-miler » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:58 pm

What's the story with Tirunesh Dibaba not entered in this race?
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby Flumpy » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:37 pm

She will be now, you can bet on it :wink:
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby Marlow » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:40 pm

Flumpy wrote:She will be now, you can bet on it :wink:



New T&FN formchart?

1. Tirunesh Dibaba (Ethiopia)
2. Sally Kipyego (Kenya)
3. Vivian Cheruiyot (Kenya)
4. Meseret Defar (Ethiopia)

5. Viola Kibiwott (Kenya)
6. Gelete Burka (Ethiopia)
7. Molly Huddle (USA)
8. Olga Golovkina (Russia)
9. Yelena Nagovichina (Russia)
10. Sara Moreira (Portugal)
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby doug5321 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:12 pm

ken nakamura just tweeted t. dibaba will run the 5000, can she beat a fresh defar?
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby doug5321 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:14 pm

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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby DecFan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:16 pm

doug5321 wrote:ken nakamura just tweeted t. dibaba will run the 5000, can she beat a fresh defar?


Yes. So can Vivian.
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby Daisy » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:23 pm

Ayalew must love this!
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby Master Po » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:33 pm

Daisy wrote:Ayalew must love this!


Indeed -- too bad for her. I'm guessing she knew this was a possibility. (And I'm guessing that it doesn't feel good in any case.)
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby aaronk » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:56 pm

Master Po wrote:
Daisy wrote:Ayalew must love this!


Indeed -- too bad for her. I'm guessing she knew this was a possibility. (And I'm guessing that it doesn't feel good in any case.)


Yeah!
Maybe she and Jeneba can hit a pub and drown their sorrows together!! :P
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby TN1965 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:41 pm

DecFan wrote:
doug5321 wrote:ken nakamura just tweeted t. dibaba will run the 5000, can she beat a fresh defar?


Yes. So can Vivian.


Of course, Vivian could. But I don't think she will. Losing to Kipyego by 4 sec is an indication that she is not in good form. Maybe her injury affected her preparation.

My prediction is 1. Dibaba, 2. Defar, 3. Cheruiyot (or Kipyego).
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby doug5321 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:34 am

aaronk wrote:
Master Po wrote:
Daisy wrote:Ayalew must love this!


Indeed -- too bad for her. I'm guessing she knew this was a possibility. (And I'm guessing that it doesn't feel good in any case.)


Yeah!
Maybe she and Jeneba can hit a pub and drown their sorrows together!! :P


ayalew is not old enough to drink, at age 19 she could possibly be around for a few olympics.
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby DecFan » Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:37 am

doug5321 wrote:ayalew is not old enough to drink, at age 19 she could possibly be around for a few olympics.


This is Britain, not the US . . .
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby j-a-m » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:07 am

Flumpy wrote:She will be now, you can bet on it :wink:

Yeah, why was it even a question in the first place whether Dibaba would double?
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby EPelle » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:15 am

60-point final lap for Dibaba in her qualifying round (14.58). Was a three-person pack of Dibaba, Kibiwot and Defar with no one else close in contention in this heat.
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby andyjgt » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:16 am

Had to point out to Nevets that back in 13th, Grovdal actually ran a PB (by .54s)!
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby nevetsllim » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:29 am

andyjgt wrote:Had to point out to Nevets that back in 13th, Grovdal actually ran a PB (by .54s)!


I don't think I've ever said I was a Grovdal fan! I took a bit of interest in her back in 2007 and to be honest, I didn't even realise she was racing here!
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby j-a-m » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:35 am

EPelle wrote:60-point final lap for Dibaba in her qualifying round (14.58). Was a three-person pack of Dibaba, Kibiwot and Defar with no one else close in contention in this heat.

Didn't matter in order to advance, so guess wanted to make a statement there?
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby EPelle » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:41 am

They sure made the second heat WORK. Nice job by Huddle taking control of that race; Bleasdale and Pavey benefited by the honest pace.
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–T. Dibaba (Eth) leads Q to final in 14:58

Postby aaronk » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:45 am

Well, two more American qualifiers (Huddle and Culley) and one PR (Conley) which wasn't too far back!

The American distance running renaissance continues!!

Way to go, Molly, Julie, and Kim!!
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby Master Po » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:27 am

j-a-m wrote:
EPelle wrote:60-point final lap for Dibaba in her qualifying round (14.58). Was a three-person pack of Dibaba, Kibiwot and Defar with no one else close in contention in this heat.

Didn't matter in order to advance, so guess wanted to make a statement there?


A little impromptu speed session & preview of the final!

I know the final will be a blazing Ethiopia-Kenya dual meet, but a few notes on some others:

Pavey is of course some years away from her best (14:39 in 2006, last sub-15 in 2008) but she ran well here, and maybe has another sub-15 in her for the final. (She looked like she was working very hard for that 15:02, however.)

8+ second PB for Bleasdale -- first time under 15:10. Looked comfortable enough, so perhaps a sub-15:00 is possible.

That was Huddle's best 5k since her breakout year in 2010. I hope she has more, and can go sub-15 in the final.

8+ sec PB for Julie Culley. As w Bleasdale, first time under 15:10. Also appeared to be reasonably strong today.

Finally, even though Kim Conley didn't advance, credit to her for hanging with the lead group til 600 to go and earning a 5+ sec PB. She came into 2012 w 15:38 PB, so she's had a great season.

I hope all these finalists do well, and can't wait to see Dibaba, Defar & the Kenyans go at it!
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby Randy Treadway » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:28 am

j-a-m wrote:
EPelle wrote:60-point final lap for Dibaba in her qualifying round (14.58). Was a three-person pack of Dibaba, Kibiwot and Defar with no one else close in contention in this heat.

Didn't matter in order to advance, so guess wanted to make a statement there?


After what happened in the men's 10K and coaches' heads on the chopping block, I'll bet both the Ethiopians and the Kenyans have been given the same orders- NO MORE SITTING BACK AND TAKING STUPID RISKS!!!!!
Look for the same thing in the final, and the same thing in the men's 5K.
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–T. Dibaba (Eth) leads Q to final in 14:58

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:45 am

aaronk wrote:Well, two more American qualifiers (Huddle and Culley) and one PR (Conley) which wasn't too far back!

The American distance running renaissance continues!!


Since Flanagan got bronze in the 10 last time, I wouldn't call it that. It is hardly the same as the men, who have a lot more East Africans to deal with than the US women.
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–T. Dibaba (Eth) leads Q to final in 14:58

Postby Master Po » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:58 pm

I know that no other data is really needed to demonstrate the superiority of the Ethiopian and Kenyan athletes in this event, however, it is perhaps worth noting that none of the six Kenyan and Ethiopian athletes needed to run a SB (much less a PB) to advance to the final, whereas of the other 9 finalists, 7 had to run PBs to advance, and the other two (Pavey, Huddle) had to run SBs. As if the talent gap weren't already clear, perhaps more than in any other distance event in this OG (well, I guess there is Rudisha and history :wink: ), this is really two distinct races. I do hope that some of the others -- e.g., the USA & GBR athletes, for my preferences -- can make this event their own in some way that earns them PB or SB times, and gets them in the top 8 (or perhaps 5th or 6th even, if one of the "lesser" Kenyans or Ethiopians breaks, as sometimes happens).
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby CookyMonzta » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:22 pm

doug5321 wrote:
aaronk wrote:
Master Po wrote:
Daisy wrote:Ayalew must love this!


Indeed -- too bad for her. I'm guessing she knew this was a possibility. (And I'm guessing that it doesn't feel good in any case.)


Yeah!
Maybe she and Jeneba can hit a pub and drown their sorrows together!! :P


ayalew is not old enough to drink, at age 19 she could possibly be around for a few olympics.

Oh? What's the legal drinking age in the U.K.?
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–T. Dibaba (Eth) leads Q to final in 14:58

Postby lapsus » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:46 am

Master Po wrote:I know that no other data is really needed to demonstrate the superiority of the Ethiopian and Kenyan athletes in this event, however, it is perhaps worth noting that none of the six Kenyan and Ethiopian athletes needed to run a SB (much less a PB) to advance to the final, whereas of the other 9 finalists, 7 had to run PBs to advance, and the other two (Pavey, Huddle) had to run SBs. As if the talent gap weren't already clear, perhaps more than in any other distance event in this OG (well, I guess there is Rudisha and history :wink: ), this is really two distinct races. I do hope that some of the others -- e.g., the USA & GBR athletes, for my preferences -- can make this event their own in some way that earns them PB or SB times, and gets them in the top 8 (or perhaps 5th or 6th even, if one of the "lesser" Kenyans or Ethiopians breaks, as sometimes happens).

Dunno, I think any talent gap (if you mean something innate) is exaggerated by this year's unusually poor standard. I don't have any statistics, but it at least feels like every year except this one there have been several non-Ethiopian and non-Kenyan runners running 14:35 to 14:50ish times.
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–T. Dibaba (Eth) leads Q to final in 14:58

Postby EPelle » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:27 am

Outdoors -- last year only had two; 2010: five (including East African transplants); 2009: two; 2008: four; etc.
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... women-list
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–T. Dibaba (Eth) leads Q to final in 14:58

Postby Master Po » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:32 am

lapsus wrote:
Master Po wrote:I know that no other data is really needed to demonstrate the superiority of the Ethiopian and Kenyan athletes in this event, however, it is perhaps worth noting that none of the six Kenyan and Ethiopian athletes needed to run a SB (much less a PB) to advance to the final, whereas of the other 9 finalists, 7 had to run PBs to advance, and the other two (Pavey, Huddle) had to run SBs. As if the talent gap weren't already clear, perhaps more than in any other distance event in this OG (well, I guess there is Rudisha and history :wink: ), this is really two distinct races. I do hope that some of the others -- e.g., the USA & GBR athletes, for my preferences -- can make this event their own in some way that earns them PB or SB times, and gets them in the top 8 (or perhaps 5th or 6th even, if one of the "lesser" Kenyans or Ethiopians breaks, as sometimes happens).

Dunno, I think any talent gap (if you mean something innate) is exaggerated by this year's unusually poor standard. I don't have any statistics, but it at least feels like every year except this one there have been several non-Ethiopian and non-Kenyan runners running 14:35 to 14:50ish times.


Didn't mean anything innate, or otherwise beyond what's actually in this final, which looks to me to be six really superior Ethiopians & Kenyans, and nine other excellent of course (no offense to anyone! :) ) athletes, but nowhere near the level of those top six.
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–

Postby Powell » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:56 am

CookyMonzta wrote:Oh? What's the legal drinking age in the U.K.?


18, like pretty much everywhere in the western world. The drinking age in the US is an anomaly in global terms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–T. Dibaba (Eth) leads Q to final in 14:58

Postby mump boy » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:17 am

I just don't understand the mentality of these runners. They know they have absolutely no chance to outsprint Dibaba, Defar or Cheruiyiot but they are all perfectly happy to just dawdle round and play into their hands

Why wouldn't anyone just give it a go ? lead the pace out fast and hope others join in, i just don't see the point in being in an OG final, going for a jog and getting nothing out of it at all :x
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–T. Dibaba (Eth) leads Q to final in 14:58

Postby j-a-m » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:19 am

group of five entering last lap
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Re: 2012 OG: w5000–T. Dibaba (Eth) leads Q to final in 14:58

Postby EPelle » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:21 am

W-Final
Jo Pavey out to an immediate lead.
Unoffical splits unless underlined
1.13 Pavey
2.29 Pavey
3.07,58 Pavey
3.45 Pavey
4.58 Romagnolo
6.17,35 Romagnolo
7.33 Romagnolo
8.50 Romagnolo
9.27,75 Pavey
10.05 Pavey (Dibaba moves up to 2nd)
11.15 Dibaba
12.24,81 Dibaba
13.31 Dibaba
14.34 Dibaba (Defar on shoulder)
Defar overtakes Dibaba on homestretch. Cheruiyot finishes 2nd.
15.04,26 Defar
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Re: ¶2012 OG: w5000–Meseret Defar (Eth) 15:04.26

Postby mump boy » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:26 am

Parochial but i am so pleased with the way Jo and Julie ran in these games 7th and 8th in both 5k and 10k is amazing especially from Jo who is 38 and was training for the marathon until the end of April :D
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Re: ¶2012 OG: w5000–Meseret Defar (Eth) 15:04.26

Postby DrJay » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:27 am

Ethiopia/Kenya/Ethiopia/Kenya/Ethiopia/Kenya.....now the distance world is back in its proper order.... :)
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Re: ¶2012 OG: w5000–Meseret Defar (Eth) 15:04.26

Postby aaronk » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:31 am

The SportLemon link to the BBC fizzled out just before the start of the race......DAMN!!!!!!! :x :x .........but I got it back in time to see the results posted!!

Looks like all I missed seeing was a few neighborhood gals out for a lesiurely stroll....with iPods and water bottles and chatter about their upcoming divorces......while somewhere REAL TRACK FANS were waiting.........IN VAIN.......for them to turn this FARCE into a RACE!!!!!

If I'd paid for this....I'd DEMAND my money back!!!!
(And a few extra bucks for some Extra-Strength Tylenol!!!!)
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