¶2012OT m100—Justin Gatlin 9.80 PR

[RubyNoon]

I think Mouse Rodgers will get in. Gatlin looks terrible. If Gay gets injured again there may not be an American in the Olympic 100m final.

Feel free to change your moniker...

You really should feel dumb.

Not at all. I wasn't far off. Rodgers was 4th and almost got in. Gatlin did look terrible in the semi's, but obviously did better (maybe his roids kicked in)

[Pelpa]

I knew what you meant and I agree.

Not sure about, grasshopper, but I was overcome by the irony of the moment.

TD not to worry, we are mostly on the same page. its grasshopper that was really giving further info.

[Blues]

Great run by Gatlin. However his time of 9.80 with a 1.8 wind is highly inferior to Blake's 9.82 with a 0.0 wind in Zurich last year.

That's cool.. How does it compare to Blake's 9.84 in 0.5 wind? I think that is definitely more relative.

Blake's 9.84 with a 0.5 wind is still highly superior.

9.80 (1.8) = 9.89 (0.0)
9.84 (0.5) = 9.87 (0.0)

*Highly* superior....

Gatlin's 9.80 was at about 125 meters higher altitude than Blake's 9.84 from the Cayman Islands too, which some conversion tables count as worth another 100th... So we're looking at a possible difference of about 0.03 sec in favor of Blake assuming that the timing, wind measurements, and other standards at the first annual Cayman Islands Invitational were equally accurate to those at the US Olympic Trials... And even if the difference increases from 0.02 sec to 0.03 sec based on altitude, I'm not sure how "highly superior" 0.03 seconds is...

[Grasshopper]

Gatlin's 9.80 was at about 125 meters higher altitude than Blake's 9.84 from the Cayman Islands too, which some conversion tables count as worth another 100th... So we're looking at a possible difference of about 0.03 sec in favor of Blake assuming that the timing, wind measurements, and other standards at the first annual Cayman Islands Invitational were equally accurate to those at the US Olympic Trials... And even if the difference increases from 0.02 sec to 0.03 sec based on altitude, I'm not sure how "highly superior" 0.03 seconds is...

Blake didn't have rounds on his legs.

[mal]

Great run by Gatlin. However his time of 9.80 with a 1.8 wind is highly inferior to Blake's 9.82 with a 0.0 wind in Zurich last year.

That's cool.. How does it compare to Blake's 9.84 in 0.5 wind? I think that is definitely more relative.[/quote]

Blake's 9.84 with a 0.5 wind is still highly superior.[/quote]

9.80 (1.8) = 9.89 (0.0)
9.84 (0.5) = 9.87 (0.0)

*Highly* superior.... [/quote]

Gatlin's 9.80 was at about 125 meters higher altitude than Blake's 9.84 from the Cayman Islands too, which some conversion tables count as worth another 100th... So we're looking at a possible difference of about 0.03 sec in favor of Blake assuming that the timing, wind measurements, and other standards at the first annual Cayman Islands Invitational were equally accurate to those at the US Olympic Trials... And even if the difference increases from 0.02 sec to 0.03 sec based on altitude, I'm not sure how "highly superior" 0.03 seconds is...[/quote]


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[RubyNoon]

The good news for Mouse Rodgers is that if Gatlin gets busted for roids again, he's in.

[eDJon20]

I'm actually a little surprised at how many folks on here think Gatlin has a chance at gold. He can definitely medal but gold? I think that's a reach we have to wait till JA trials to see what the other main rivals have to offer.

[gcheves]

Don't discount the effect of cool weather on times. There's less wind resistance when it's hot and humid with high pressure.

[Irun_toofast]

The good news for Mouse Rodgers is that if Gatlin gets busted for roids again, he's in.

And what if they BOTH get busted for PED's again??

[Blues]

Blake's 9.84 with a 0.5 wind is still highly superior.

9.80 (1.8) = 9.89 (0.0)
9.84 (0.5) = 9.87 (0.0)

*Highly* superior....

Gatlin's 9.80 was at about 125 meters higher altitude than Blake's 9.84 from the Cayman Islands too, which some conversion tables count as worth another 100th... So we're looking at a possible difference of about 0.03 sec in favor of Blake assuming that the timing, wind measurements, and other standards at the first annual Cayman Islands Invitational were equally accurate to those at the US Olympic Trials... And even if the difference increases from 0.02 sec to 0.03 sec based on altitude, I'm not sure how "highly superior" 0.03 seconds is...

Blah blah blah

Not sure what you mean... Your man of never ending nics Jamaica50/notorious/Jammmin/RubyNoon, etc. made the comment that Blake's 100 in George Town was highly superior to Gatlin's performance today. A few of us called him out regarding his typical "highly superior" description, so I'm not sure what your point is, unless of course you're yet another of notorious' nics in which case I fully understand... (smile)

[TrackTeacher_AP]

Not sure what your point is... Your man of unlimited nics Jamaica50/notorious/Jammmin/RubyNoon, etc. made the comment that Blake's 100 in George Town was highly superior to Gatlin's performance today. A few of us called him out regarding his typical "highly superior" description. So blah blah blah yourself, unless of course you're yet another of his nics in which case I understand... (smile)

THANK YOU! It seems like when one of these people is actually presented with a valid arguement against their claims they have some sort of laughable excuse, or another new poster pops up who shares their sentiments? I have been following this forum for years before I actually was able to create an acct. (computer problem I'm still not sure why) and it seems like since then the anti US men's sprint posters have been at an all time high.

[Ned Ryerson]

Gatlin and Bailey are both running the 200M.

Sure about that?

[beebee]

It is truly sad to read these negative, classless, anti-American comments coming from some of you Jamaicans fans, clearly jaded close to madness with your Nationalism.

Jeter barely won and has no chance in London against the same ladies she spanked just last year. Gatlin ran a "terrible" 9.80 and is clearly juicing again.

The recent success of the Jamaican sprinters(whom I truly enjoy watching perform) has obviously brought out the worst in some of you people.

[110hedgeNYC]

folks, regarding the quality of the 100 meter times, keep in mind that the weather was very cool (too cold) for world class sprinting. it was mid-60s, not sufficiently warm for high quality sprinting.

so, yes a 1.8 helps, but they did it in chilly conditions after after two rounds in even colder (and wetter) weather.

given this, 9.80, 9.86 and 9.93 are excellent marks.

too bad about Dix. hope he recovers fast.

the fact that Tyson produced a 9.86 (in cool conditions) after so few races is IMPRESSIVE.

give him warmer weather and 4-5 weeks of more sharpening and he can drop into the 9.60s.

everyone talks about how Tyson didn't do any track work until March, but obviously he has years of world class training behind him and apparently he hit the weight room much harder this year during his slow rehabilitation process. It's not as if the guy wasn't training - he's got massive base work behind him, he's clearly stronger than ever (in terms of absolute strength - from heavier weight training), and he's no where near 100% race sharp.

he will contend in London.

weather you folks like it or not, so will Gatlin. I think Gatlin's story is now inspiring and we can only assume he's clean.

[jamaica50]

Not sure what you mean... Your man of never ending nics Jamaica50/notorious/Jammmin/RubyNoon, etc. made the comment that Blake's 100 in George Town was highly superior to Gatlin's performance today. A few of us called him out regarding his typical "highly superior" description, so I'm not sure what your point is, unless of course you're yet another of notorious' nics in which case I fully understand...

I am new to the site and thus don't have a clue who these other posters are. I can only assume they are strong Jamaican supporters just as I am .

[jamaica50]

I'm actually a little surprised at how many folks on here think Gatlin has a chance at gold. He can definitely medal but gold? I think that's a reach we have to wait till JA trials to see what the other main rivals have to offer.

I was thinking the same thing as well. Medal? Yes. Gold. That's stretching it alot.

[j-a-m]

Good interview by Gatlin on NBC, how he talked about his teammates instead of calling out Bolt.

[true northener]

I don't think any reasonable person who is not a competitor in the event expects Bolt to lose to anyone in the 100.Having said that, nothing is ever 100% certain in sports. Both Gatlin and Gay will contend for a medal if they stay healthy. And Bailey could make the final. Jamaica has the edge in the 4 x 1 relay, but it is by no means a sure thing! Don't miss that relay!

[mrbowie]

Don't see Gatlin beating Gay in Olympic unless the heats do in Gay for lack of seasoning. They run the trials again next week and Gay beats Gatlin.

[toyracer]

First of all, to those that are fans of Gatlin, congrats. And congrats to the fans of American track and field. You're sending a M100m team that has two world championship and one olympic gold medal in it. Certainly a formidable team.

Gatlin celebrated like Bolt...before he crossed the line...and still pr'd.

To be precise it was more like Ben.

How so? Please explain.

What needs explanation in that?......his style of celebration looked more like Ben's hand in the air in the 88 than Bolt's chest slap in 08.

Ben in Seoul is exactly the image that entered my mind, especially when the NBC timing initially showed 9.79

And yes TD, it was indeed ironic.

[GDAWG]

So Gatlin is going to the Olympics....what about Chambers?

[Marlow]

I am new to the site and thus don't have a clue who these other posters are. I can only assume they are strong Jamaican supporters just as I am .

You're the guy that the moderator asked to . . . please . . . stop turning every sprint thread into a Jam vs. USA hate-match.

[TrakFan]

So Gatlin is going to the Olympics....what about Chambers?

Chambers can compete (UK 100m champ), however, he hasn't met the qualifying time of 10.18, yet.

[gktrack]

Assuming the top 6 are in the relay pool (I know that's an assumption), how would USA set up their relay, assuming they would not put Gay on a turn. Rodgers has run leadoff before, but who would run the 2nd turn?

[fromage]

Delighted to see Gay get into the USA Team and Bailey also. You medal chasers already know what we think about the winner. Of course, the latter is a lot more talented than our Trials winner who is finished as a top class sprinter.

so what is 9.80 with a nil wind worth...high 9.8s. Bolt not losing sleep is reported

[TrackDaddy]

Not sure what you mean... Your man of never ending nics Jamaica50/notorious/Jammmin/RubyNoon, etc. made the comment that Blake's 100 in George Town was highly superior to Gatlin's performance today. A few of us called him out regarding his typical "highly superior" description, so I'm not sure what your point is, unless of course you're yet another of notorious' nics in which case I fully understand...

I am new to the site and thus don't have a clue who these other posters are. I can only assume they are strong Jamaican supporters just as I am .

[TrackTeacher_AP]

Assuming the top 6 are in the relay pool (I know that's an assumption), how would USA set up their relay, assuming they would not put Gay on a turn. Rodgers has run leadoff before, but who would run the 2nd turn?

I would go Gatlin - Rodgers - Spearmon - Gay. If Gay isnt fit to run it then Bailey or Rae or another 200m runner.

[ATK]

Assuming the top 6 are in the relay pool (I know that's an assumption), how would USA set up their relay, assuming they would not put Gay on a turn. Rodgers has run leadoff before, but who would run the 2nd turn?

or Rae.

Who?

[thedodge]

If roids are so good how is it that Gatlin runs a PR at age what 30? And he was nice and relaxed late in the race.

[TrackTeacher_AP]

Assuming the top 6 are in the relay pool (I know that's an assumption), how would USA set up their relay, assuming they would not put Gay on a turn. Rodgers has run leadoff before, but who would run the 2nd turn?

or Rae.

Who?

Monzaveous "Rae" Edwards. I have a feeling he may make the 200m team and I remember a 4x1 in atustin where he ran a couple guys down and we may need a closer.

[ATK]

Assuming the top 6 are in the relay pool (I know that's an assumption), how would USA set up their relay, assuming they would not put Gay on a turn. Rodgers has run leadoff before, but who would run the 2nd turn?

or Rae.

Who?

Monzaveous "Rae" Edwards. I have a feeling he may make the 200m team and I remember a 4x1 in atustin where he ran a couple guys down and we may need a closer.

Oh sorry, I misspelled
"Edwards has not run a 200 since 2010, so he did not qualify to trials. Further more he has a 100m seasons best of 10.31 and was 20th in the 100m semis proving he has shown no signs of being in any relay consideration"
with "Who?"

[TrackTeacher_AP]

Oh sorry, I misspelled
"Edwards has not run a 200 since 2010, so he did not qualify to trials. Further more he has a 100m seasons best of 10.31 and was 20th in the 100m semis proving he has shown no signs of being in any relay consideration"
with "Who?"

Thank you for the info,i just listed him as a possibility and apparently he's not an option hah. Still I go gatlin-rodgers-spearmon-gay.

[EZSum]

When Gatlin was starting back a couple of years ago there were a lot of people predicting he'd never break 10 seconds (I said 9.79 by 2012). Well, he's demonstrated his talent for all to see and I do believe that's the fastest time ever run by someone who has reached the Spartan age of manhood.

[nicest person ever]

When Gatlin was starting back a couple of years ago there were a lot of people predicting he'd never break 10 seconds (I said 9.79 by 2012). Well, he's demonstrated his talent for all to see and I do believe that's the fastest time ever run by someone who has reached the Spartan age of manhood.

Yea, I have to agree, checkered past or not, that is damn impressive.

Also, good call on the prediction by the way.

As for the people analyzing the wind conversions of Blake's top times this season vs Gatlin's OT run, yes, it is true that the converted basic-times are close enough that it could be considered a toss-up between the two, since Blake's run only converts to .02 better than Gatlin's, not to mention Gatlin's being in colder weather.

HOWEVER... aren't we forgetting something?:

BOLT!!!!

Unlike Blake, Bolt's top run this season converts not to a mere .02 better than Gatlin's, but rather, a WHOPPING 0.14 seconds better, and THAT is no laughing matter.

Unless Bolt gets injured or DQ'd, I VERY very strongly doubt he'll get anything other than Gold in the Olympic 100m. Cuz if he was running 9.75-basic in early season like that, and he stays healthy, then it seems to me he will most likely be back in 9.6-low-basic form come London, and I'm sorry, but no matter how much heart and passion Gatlin has, it's not gonna get him down to 9.60-basic or 9.5x to beat Bolt. That's just out of his realm, (and everyone else's for that matter).

[ZELLGADISS]

If Bolt is healthy, nobody will can to be near of him, im sure.
His shape will be around 9.6 basic in London, very far of everybody.
The last year he was in 9.7 basic shape(we saw 19.4 in Daegu and probably 19.3 or better in lane 5 or 6).His little injury in Achilles after 200m by tight lane(pains in knees too) got that he had that to change his relay in Daegu(since bend until straight)and his last races were with bad start with problems in Achilles, and he got 9.76 yet, very good time.

Now he looks in a lot of better shape(9.76 -0.1 in MAY), we will look his performances in trials,but if he is healthy, i repeat, he can not to be defeated...