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Postby Guest » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:21 pm

i was watching classic track and this guy broke the word record with a 7' 7" jump but it was the way he was jumping that was so odd. he led with his left arm facing the bar and jumped it over that way, wut ever happened to that method?
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Re: high jump

Postby tafnut » Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:09 pm

Hmmm, that is a puzzler, because Dwight Stones was the first over 7'7 and he has a very orthodox flop style. Are you taliking about a straddle jumper, who goes over on his belly? Or a flop jumper with a left approach, i.e. left arm leads? Pat Matzdorf, 7'6.25, had a bent knee straddle that looked different. The straddle died because of the physics involved, usually less speed in approach, and a different center of gravity over the bar. The flop harnesses more of the jumper's power at takeoff.
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Re: high jump

Postby athlete72125 » Sat Jun 28, 2003 6:44 pm

the jump was 7' 6 1/4" to break the american and world records. he would go over leading with his left arm and get lvl with the bar on his belly and flip his knee and body over.
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Sat Jun 28, 2003 6:51 pm

Does Yashenko (sp?) hold the straddle record? And the height? I was watching a Bacelona '92 tape today and saw a decathlete straddle 7'6".
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Postby jhc68 » Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:57 pm

Yeah, Yashchenko, 7'8" straddle as a teenager, elsewhere on these posting boards a guy who jumped against him describes Yash as the greatest talent ever, superior to Sotomayor. Injuries and/or high living apparently cut short his career. So, how many straddlers cleared 7'6"? Matzdorf, Ni Chi-Chin and Yashchenko for certain... I dunno who the decathlete in '92 might have been. Did Rolf Bielschmidt get over 7'6"? Brumel came within 1/4 of an inch (and, maybe, a guy named Bill Thierfelder)... and Rey Brown woulda, coulda, shoulda, and Joe Faust had near miss practice jumps at 7'7"... close but no cigar... anyone else who got official straddle clearances above 7'6"?
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Re: high jump

Postby Olegi » Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:57 pm

That was probably Christian Schenk of Germany, previously an East German. Met him at a European Coaches conference in Berlin. Super guy
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Re: high jump

Postby Per Andersen » Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:15 am

I don't think any decathlete did 7'6 in Barcelona.
I believe Christian Schenk holds the Deca H.J. best at 2.27 but he did not compete in Barcelona.
Yes, Rolf Beilschmidt did 2.31 (7'7)
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Re: high jump

Postby gh » Sun Jun 29, 2003 7:27 am

After Brumel died, I posted the following to the Darkwing chatlist:

<<Anybody out there got a definitive all-time straddlers list? Using what limited resources I had in limited time, I tried to dig up everybody who ever jumped as high or higher than Brumel. It's such an incredibly short
list I figure I must be missing a bunch of obscure Soviets from the early '80s who were still using that by-then-arcane style.

Big D (Dwight Stones) says he *thinks* there were a few more than I have listed here, but he can't come up with any names. Makes Brumel look pretty
damned good, don't it?

2.35(7-8 1/2)---Vladimir Yashchenko '78
2.32 (7-7 1/4)---Gennadiy Byelkov '82
2.31 (7-7)---Rolf Beilschmidt '77
2.295 (7-6 1/4) -------Pat Matzdorf '71
2.29 (7-6)---Chichin Ni '70
-------Cai Shu '82
2.28 (7-5 3/4)---Valeriy Brumel '63
-------Sergey Senyukov '77>>

Nobody ever added to that list.
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:40 am

Yes, it was Schenk in the '92 Decathlon. Good call guys. I reviewed the tape and they indeed announced his clearance as 7'6". That does not mean they had the height correct of course. How big a man was/is Schenk. He appears to be easily 6'5" or taller. .
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:55 am

Schenk's best was 7-5.25, set in the Seoul decathlon; he didn't compete in Barcelona. T&FN annual editions say he was 6'7", 203 pounds.
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:11 am

Thanks. I must be confusing him. I will pop the tape in and try again.
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:42 pm

Okay, I've got it straight now. Sorry for the misinformation. I watched '88, '92, & '96 trials tapes last night. If only there was a decent movie on I wouldn't spew such non-facts. Schenk set the decathlon high jump world record in the '88 olympics with a jump of 7'5 1/4". They emphasized the fact that he had 3 good attempts at 7'6", thus my confusion. Thanks for setting me straight. To again ask my question: Does anyone know Shenk's height?
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Re: high jump

Postby d » Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:26 pm

On www.decathlon.ee Schenk is listed at 201cm tall ((6'7"). His HJ PR is listed as 2.27 (7'5.25).
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:52 pm

>Okay, I've got it straight now. Sorry for the
>misinformation. ...... Does
>anyone know Shenk's height?>>

uh yeah, it's in the same post that you said straightened you out.
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Sun Jun 29, 2003 3:08 pm

NBC's olympic coverage said he was 6'9", thus the repeated question. Thanks for everyone's input.
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Re: high jump

Postby Per Andersen » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:56 pm

Thanks Garry for the top straddlers list.
If there should be more at that level maybe we could bring in MARKNHJ. He jumped against the russians in Moscow in '80 and beat two of them including Byelkov.
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:48 am

>NBC's olympic coverage said he was 6'9", >>

Ahh, you mean Carol Lewis was doing the commentary, now I understand.
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:13 am

What I'd like to know is what happened to all the 2.40 guys? Mogenburg, Sjoberg, the Chinese guy, Sotomayor, Austin ... there were a bunch of guys going for or beating 7-10 in the 80s, but in recent years 7-6 to 7-9 can win most big meets.

Has it been fear of getting caught using? Can't believe this event being as steroid-infested as others.

Man, Dwight's marks would still be winning or showing most of the time, today.
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Re: high jump

Postby Powell » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:26 am

For a few years, there just wasn't enough talent in this event. But things are starting to heat up in the junior ranks. If you looks at the 18-20 year olds, the level of competition is the best we've seen for a LONG time. I strongly believe it will result in people at least getting close to 2.40 on a regular basis in a few years.
And now, I don't believe tougher drug testing are that much of an issue in HJ. Just look at the women - the level of competition at the moment is the best ever. It is just a matter of attracting the people with enough talent to the event.
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:36 am

< Can't believe this event being as
steroid-infested as others.>>

This means you believe there's a high-morals gene attached to the ability-to-high-jump gene?
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Re: high jump

Postby Guest » Mon Jun 30, 2003 9:20 am

As for the women, yes, we've been seeing a lot of 2.00-2.05 jumps ... but why does Stefka's WR from 16 years ago still stand???
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