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USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gh » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:58 am

you can find all the declarations here

https://www.usatf.org/Events---Calendar ... tries.aspx

Both vaults are going to take a while: 15 declared on men's side, 14 on women's.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby Marlow » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:15 am

gh wrote:Both vaults are going to take a while: 15 declared on men's side, 14 on women's.

Pikers. My PR is 34 girls, seeded between 5' and 12', in one competition. Still 'only' took 3 hours.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gktrack » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:37 am

After her impressive Millrose 60H (7.91, WL), Janay (Cynthia?) Deloach Soukup scratches the LJ and is entered in the 60H... and I didn't realize she was multi-talented - her PR's give her an impressive pentathlon total of 4685.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby Powell » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:45 am

Marlow wrote:My PR is 34 girls, seeded between 5' and 12', in one competition. Still 'only' took 3 hours.


Now I understand why you're in favor of big increments in height progression. You must have been raising the bar 1.5' at a time in that competition :P
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:54 am

The goal was a field size of 16 for each PV, not sure why it is so big. :?:
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:58 am

Marlow wrote:
gh wrote:Both vaults are going to take a while: 15 declared on men's side, 14 on women's.

Pikers. My PR is 34 girls, seeded between 5' and 12', in one competition. Still 'only' took 3 hours.


I have had similar competitions. Here is also depends on how many and how good your crew is. When trying to do it with only two officials it is a real scramble with a large field. At a championship event you have a very large crew, so 15 is really not that many. Note that a large field means that some vaulters that are used to having a lot of time on the runway because they are down to three contestants quickly might find the situation a little different.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:20 am

Fact: 2014 marks the 7th year in a row that athletes below the MPV qualifying standard of 5.50 have been admitted into the meet. My thoughts on that: http://polevaultpower.com/forum/viewtop ... =2&t=44528
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gh » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:49 am

You can do whatever you want in lesser meets, but overly large fields are no way to pick nationals teams at the professional level. Applying high school thinking here is nonsensical.

Quoting Becca from the excellent links she gave "After all the conversations we had about the top vaulters getting screwed because of the competition taking too long... "
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby GeorgeBlanda » Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:20 am

This doesn't make sense. We are lowing Standards and the World are raising theirs. The women's World qualifying Standard went from 4.60 to 4.71. If you don't mark 4.71 you don't make the Worlds. So we set our US Standards 41cm below that? And you wonder why we only have 2 people qualify? Expectation means something. So in the end...your top 3 - 4 vaulters which are the only shot we have qualifying can sit and watch 4.30 jumpers for 2 hours with NO RUN THROUGH? Good luck with that.

Last year, the top 4 went 5.02, 4.75, 4.60, 4.60. Last year's starting height of 4.15 after a delay from the Men's Heptathlon will be close to 2 feet under the World A Standard. At this point they should start running 2 Heats...a Developmental and Championship meet. There's just no common sense left.

For the men, you have a standard and you stick with it. US Nationals is a Championship Meet to pick the best reps for chances at Worlds and it's become and All-Comers Meet.

People might not hit expectations but somehow they come close. 4.30 is not close to 4.71.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gktrack » Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:38 am

There are very few college athletes entered at the US Nationals... but in the m400, there are two runners from Pitt currently qualified/declared (Spratling and Murray), but not Pitt's Nkanata. Is it very uncommon to see college kids entered at this meet, and/or see them compete at the World Indoors while in school?
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gh » Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:49 am

Of late, the USATF Indoor goes head-to-head with all the major conferences meets, so it's impossible for collegians to enter even if they wanted to.

Paul Ereng won the '89 World Indoor 800 wearing a Virginia jersey when his Kenyan one got lost!
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:50 am

gh wrote:Quoting Becca from the excellent links she gave "After all the conversations we had about the top vaulters getting screwed because of the competition taking too long... "


I sent Ed and Sue an email to find out what happened. It was seriously multiple conversations in multiple meetings at the USATF Annual Meeting, including a lengthy chat between Brad Walker, Ed, Sue, Duffy, etc at the Championship Technical Meeting.

At this point all we can do is hope they keep their word and have a respectable opening height and a fairly aggressive height progression for the first few bars.

I do believe they are going to have two pits, so the multis shouldn't be an issue this year.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby RichC » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:17 pm

polevaultpower:

Two pits for what? The Albuquerque Convention Center is only set up for on PV pit. We have used two HJ pits at the same time in the past, but that is it.

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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:43 pm

RichC wrote:polevaultpower:

Two pits for what? The Albuquerque Convention Center is only set up for on PV pit. We have used two HJ pits at the same time in the past, but that is it.

Rich


At the Championship technical meeting in Indy, the representative from ABQ said they thought they would be able to have two pits so that the WPVers wouldn't have to wait for the multis. Maybe that fell through :(
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gh » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:48 pm

It's the men's vaulters who have to wait for the Hept vault this year.
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Postby ATK » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:35 pm

gktrack wrote:After her impressive Millrose 60H (7.91, WL), Janay (Cynthia?) Deloach Soukup scratches the LJ and is entered in the 60H... and I didn't realize she was multi-talented - her PR's give her an impressive pentathlon total of 4685.

Her actual PR is 4285 from 2011...
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:50 pm

gh wrote:It's the men's vaulters who have to wait for the Hept vault this year.


Ed says the opening height and early progression is: 5.30, 5.45, 5.55,+

That should help keep things from being a total marathon.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gh » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:13 pm

compared to last year's 5.20, 5.35, 5.45 that really is getting the ball rolling.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gh » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:24 pm

start lists are finished, should be posted shortly
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Postby duck » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:53 pm

gh wrote:start lists are finished, should be posted shortly


Will they run prelims of hurdles this year? Looks like more than 16 men and women declared. Seems in recent years they've inevitably cancelled the first round.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby ATK » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:14 pm

duck wrote:
gh wrote:start lists are finished, should be posted shortly


Will they run prelims of hurdles this year? Looks like more than 16 men and women declared. Seems in recent years they've inevitably cancelled the first round.

Start lists are posted up. They are doing 3 rounds. Only 4 will not go to semi finals for the women, and only 2 will not for the men.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby duck » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:26 pm

Is there a link? Can't find them on usatf site.
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Postby gm » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:04 pm

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Postby aaronk » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:54 pm

Quick takes on heat sheets!

1. There's 21 guys in 3K?? Be a miracle if half are still standing at the finish!
2. Why 13 in Cain's 1500 heat, and just 9 in the other?
3. Sowinski and Symmonds in separate heats??
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Postby Mighty Favog » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:12 am

Re: 3. Those are qualifying heats.

Multiple-heat finals in the 1500, and (according to Brooks Beasts coach Danny Mackey) B-heat runners will not be eligible for Worlds team selection. The system for seeding is about as clear as mud, too. And will anyone get moved up when, inevitably, a few scratch after Saturday's 3k?
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Postby Dietmar239 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:16 am

Once upon a time, Jim Howard set the indoor AR of 2.36m in ALBQ. I'm hoping Kynard and Jonas can get some fireworks going, ala Howard vs. Nordquist.
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby James Fields » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:31 am

Aaronk asked, "Why 13 in Cain's 1500 heat, and just 9 in the other?"

I believe both are sections with placing on time rather than heats which would advance athletes to a final.

However, Cain's section could be downsized if / when some of the seven "doublers" withdraw. Declared for both 1500m and 3000m: Carmen Graves, Gabe Grunewald, Jordan Hasay, Shannon Rowbury, Clare Simpson, Laura Thweatt, Sara Vaughn.

Smaller sections with less traffic could produce faster finish times -- very important because for 2014 World Indoor Championships, a nation can enter 3 athletes who have met the standard at an indoor facility (4:14 in 1500m, 9:02 in 3000m) or outdoor facility (4:03.50 / 8;38) but only 2 of those athletes will be permitted to compete.

Source: https://iaafmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/competitioninfo/88808831-66e4-4029-aff7-bdb47ac4737f.pdf
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Postby KevinM » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:23 am

Mighty Favog wrote:Multiple-heat finals in the 1500, and (according to Brooks Beasts coach Danny Mackey) B-heat runners will not be eligible for Worlds team selection. The system for seeding is about as clear as mud, too. And will anyone get moved up when, inevitably, a few scratch after Saturday's 3k?


Baffling, but not surprising. Was it clear during the qualification period that this would be the case? "Hey, here's how you can qualify to the national championships, but not be eligible to win a national championship".
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gktrack » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:15 pm

Always gotta like Gray Horn's effort... starts off with =PR in 60 at 6.96, then 0.01m off PR in LJ going 7.69m / 25-2.75. He passed his 3rd attempt, so I hope he's ok after fouling the second.
live multi results here...
http://branchsportstech.com/2014_Meets/indoor/02-21-USATF/Heptathlon.php?D=H
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Postby olorin » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:56 pm

In the Pentathlon a string of good results in the 60h.
Shana woods leads the event after setting a new PB of 8.37 (8.44)
Lindsay Lettow second with 8.44 (8.42)
Sharon Day, that will compete in the WIC, third with a new PB of 8.44 (8.46)
Sami Spenner, set a side her problem with the NCAA, and set a new PB 8.52 (8.57)
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Re: USATF Indoor entry lists

Postby gktrack » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:33 pm

come on USATF?... no pentathlon HJ results or pentathlon spreadsheet (at least I can't find them) although we have live women SP results? Day with a PR thus far in the SP.
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Postby olorin » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:21 pm

gktrack wrote:come on USATF?... no pentathlon HJ results or pentathlon spreadsheet (at least I can't find them) although we have live women SP results? Day with a PR thus far in the SP.

And now they don't update from the men HJ...
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Postby tandfman » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:19 pm

KevinM wrote:
Mighty Favog wrote:Multiple-heat finals in the 1500, and (according to Brooks Beasts coach Danny Mackey) B-heat runners will not be eligible for Worlds team selection. The system for seeding is about as clear as mud, too. And will anyone get moved up when, inevitably, a few scratch after Saturday's 3k?


Baffling, but not surprising. Was it clear during the qualification period that this would be the case? "Hey, here's how you can qualify to the national championships, but not be eligible to win a national championship".

I don't believe it's true. The start lists show the event as a two-section final. Nothing about the B section not being eligible for the US team.
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