Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]


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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:27 pm

As of like an hour ago, the reports I saw indicated he was still in the arena signing autographs, his foot injury did not appear to be serious, but he was encouraged to get it x-rayed just in case. It didn't sound like it was serious, I think any reports of him missing World Indoors are premature.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:28 pm

The maker of Lavillenie's poles was there, here is what he told his wife:

Just so the rumor mill doesn't explode, Renauld did NOT break his foot on his further attempt at WR (as being posted in some places.) His mid-mark was off and he came down on the runway (not in the box). He has a cut but is up smiling, signing autographs etc and seems fine, but in a little bit of pain....so I'm told by eyewitness : )


and her update:

WR UPDATE: Renauld was still signing autographs when Steve left venue. (With urging) he is getting his foot checked out afterwards - X-rays etc. Steve said his heel was bleeding a bit.

Sergey told Steve he was so happy it happened in Donetsk saying "He's a really good guy and I'm so proud to be passing the baton to Renauld..."
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby norunner » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:39 pm

Would have been a shame, with no germans left to annoy him, he could set the highlight in Sopot.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Sasuke » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:48 pm

A 5.86m cleared with his first attempt could give him victory with ease.
Nobody has been in shape recently, and no-one seems to be able to jump 5.90+...
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Marlow » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:12 pm

polevaultpower wrote:the folks in Donetsk know their stuff.

I'd be willing to venture a guess that it's the ideal set-up for PVing.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:42 pm

user4 wrote:….
However allow me to question one thing: Can we compare these raised runways to the old runways of the pre 1990s ?.. Something tells me that there is bound to be more bounce running on these hollow structures.


The video isn't very conclusive, but it's my understanding that Donets'k doesn't have raised runways. I could well be wrong.

In any case, a "hollow structure" doesn't necessarily have any bounce. Depends on the framing.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby JumboElliott » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:11 pm

norunner wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Is 29 years the longest period between new world record holders in any event?
Can't be, Kratochvilova is in her 31st year over 800m.

Yes, but it remains to be seen if her record will ever be broken.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby dukehjsteve » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:13 pm

Having watched the video, note that he cleared it "clean".... so much for crying and moaning by many here about shortened pegs. As I have said repeatedly, just CLEAR the damn thing CLEAN, and there is no problem !
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby user4 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:35 pm

Can someone with knowledge of the event please discuss how he does it technically.

1) What is his runway speed like. He participated in a few dashes last year and it was underwhelming as I recall. My sophomoric understand of the event was that, all other things being equal, runway speed translates to height.

2) He is a relatively light athlete at 150lbs. Is it the case that the poles are more perfectly elastic, giving back all that is put into them as the weight of the athlete goes down. Is his light weight an advantage ?
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:12 pm

His sprint times might be slow but he may not be particularly good at the 50-100m segment and his start might be extremely mediocre. Neither of those two factors matters a whit for the vault. He seems fast on the runway to me. Also important is the ability to do it half a dozen times over a short interval, not something sprinters face.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Marlow » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:40 pm

26mi235 wrote:His sprint times might be slow but he may not be particularly good at the 50-100m segment and his start might be extremely mediocre. Neither of those two factors matters a whit for the vault. He seems fast on the runway to me. Also important is the ability to do it half a dozen times over a short interval, not something sprinters face.

Right - all the pole knows is how fast you're going when the pole hits the back of the box. It's harder than it looks to maintain speed at the plant and many world-class PVers cannot. Not only does he, but as I pointed out above, he overbends the pole more than anyone I've seen. If he keeps pushing all the way thru inversion, that's a whole lot of potential energy stored in the pole.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:32 pm

gh wrote:
user4 wrote:….
However allow me to question one thing: Can we compare these raised runways to the old runways of the pre 1990s ?.. Something tells me that there is bound to be more bounce running on these hollow structures.


The video isn't very conclusive, but it's my understanding that Donets'k doesn't have raised runways. I could well be wrong.

In any case, a "hollow structure" doesn't necessarily have any bounce. Depends on the framing.


Yes, they are raised runways... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvA7AZEyciM
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby polevaultpower » Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:52 am

http://www.watchathletics.com/article/7 ... or-champs/

The Frenchman cut his inside foot when landing on the mats after clearing 6.16m. He was taken to a local hospital after the competition where several stitches were put to close up the injury. According to information from his former coach Gill, 12 stitches were put to close up the wound.

"I still have three weeks to get prepared and I do not want to give up, Even on one leg I will give all I have," Said Lavillenie.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Powell » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:52 pm

polevaultpower wrote:"I still have three weeks to get prepared and I do not want to give up, Even on one leg I will give all I have," Said Lavillenie.
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But at this point it looks unlikely he'll be 100% in Sopot, even if he does compete.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Sasuke » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:30 am

Powell wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:"I still have three weeks to get prepared and I do not want to give up, Even on one leg I will give all I have," Said Lavillenie.


But at this point it looks unlikely he'll be 100% in Sopot, even if he does compete.[/quote]

That's true but... do you remember Steven Hooker? He won jumping just once or twice in Berlin in 2009. His competitors are not in great shape (rule out the most dangerous ones, Otto and Holdzeppe) and he can easily get the win with a 5.85/5.90 clearance.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Powell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:09 am

Sasuke wrote:His competitors are not in great shape (rule out the most dangerous ones, Otto and Holdzeppe) and he can easily get the win with a 5.85/5.90 clearance.


That's true, but after his series this winter, a win with 5.85 would be a major letdown. The WIC are not like the outdoor WC; it's considered perfectly OK for a major star to skip them. I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be wiser to do just that rather than risk further injury by competing.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Sasuke » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:37 am

Powell wrote:
Sasuke wrote:His competitors are not in great shape (rule out the most dangerous ones, Otto and Holdzeppe) and he can easily get the win with a 5.85/5.90 clearance.


That's true, but after his series this winter, a win with 5.85 would be a major letdown. The WIC are not like the outdoor WC; it's considered perfectly OK for a major star to skip them. I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be wiser to do just that rather than risk further injury by competing.


Yeah, that's true as well. He is rather young and will have many other opportunities to win medals... it all depends on his injury and on how he is going to feel in three weeks.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Jon » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:32 am

He has now pulled out of the World Indoors.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby scottmitchell74 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:51 am

Congrats to him! It's both sad and exciting when new records are made. This was a long time coming. Looking forward to seeing if the rest of the vaulters will join him and they all make a great leap forward, so to speak.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby norunner » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:20 am

Jon wrote:He has now pulled out of the World Indoors.
So there are no favorites left, this could be fun, maybe it'll turn out to be a real nailbiter like the hep last year in Moscow which was actually more exciting without the big favs.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby polevaultpower » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:32 pm

I am sure that if you asked any pole vaulter if they would rather break Bubka's world record, or win the World Indoor Championships, they would all choose the world record :)

Hopefully the foot heals quickly and he is back for an exciting outdoor season!
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby tandfman » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:12 am

A link to a photo of his injured foot (with stitches) now appears on the front page.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby gh » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:14 am

with MANY stitches!
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Dave » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:00 pm

gh wrote:with MANY stitches!


That is nasty looking. I am really surprised he hung around to sign autographs rather than getting immediate attention from on site people.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby lonewolf » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:29 pm

Ouch!!!!! What did he cut his foot on? Wasn't he wearing a shoe?
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby dec7000 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:58 pm

That's far worse than I originally thought! My first impression was that he cut his ankle on the edge of the raised runway but this cut appears to have gone through his shoe. I wonder if has also damaged the heel with the impact of the landing - sort of triple jumpers heel but worse.

Also, did he miss the box? His pole appeared to be up against the base of the bed when he was flung back.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby user4 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:18 pm

When, how exactly did this happen ?... very sad, perhaps time to rethink the equipment/facilities layout. Any videos of the injury please post.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby dec7000 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:24 pm

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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby user4 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:29 pm

Seems a padded skirt / cushioned apron on either side of the raised runway is the right solution.

In hindsight it is hard to understand how such a hard edged raised runway could have been approved in the first place. It is an obvious hazard.
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