Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]


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Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby norunner » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:40 am

Apparently Lavillenie just cleared 6.16m in Donetsk!
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Dave » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:45 am

Very cool and at Bubka's meet.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:46 am

assuming the runway is up to snuff, that will also be the "absolute" WR, wiping Bubka from the books completely.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby jamal00005 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:46 am

Did it in his first attempt as well apparently...well done Renaud
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby norunner » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:49 am

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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Dave » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:53 am

norunner wrote:He's going for 6.21m now.
https://twitter.com/sky5thelimit/status ... 88/photo/1


Wow. The expression I have heard is that you cannot bottle lightening. So he might as well go for it.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby jamal00005 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:54 am

Quick question ...As he obviously did this indoors does this mean the outdoor WR will change as well ?
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:01 am

my post 4 before yours

<<assuming the runway is up to snuff, that will also be the "absolute" WR, wiping Bubka from the books completely.>>
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby eldanielfire » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:02 am

THE FRENCHMAN GETS THE WORLD RECORD IN THE POLEVALUT! :mrgreen:
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby JumboElliott » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:05 am

Is 29 years the longest period between new world record holders in any event?

Also, Lavillenie is three inches shorter and 44 pounds lighter than Bubka. Has there ever been a shorter/lighter world record holder?

Interestingly, Bubka's record was bookended by two Frenchmen.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Marlow » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:10 am

Magnifique!
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby norunner » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:17 am

JumboElliott wrote:Is 29 years the longest period between new world record holders in any event?
Can't be, Kratochvilova is in her 31st year over 800m.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby odelltrclan » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:19 am

Had to do a double take when I saw that news! Did not expect to see this result even as well as he has been vaulting of late. Not sure if I ever expected this to happen.

Congrats to Lavillenie!!
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby norunner » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:25 am

WR jump: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WXqw4vmwzk
I like Bubka's polite applause.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby jeremyp » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:31 am

Finally someone else over 20 feet and over Bubka. I have been thinking that this year we have a possibility of: 20' in the PV; check. 8' in the HJ. In fact possibly 4 over 8'. 60' in the TJ.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Mighty Favog » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:37 am

Via twitter, Karen Locke reports that Lavillenie injured his foot attempting 6.21m.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby bobguild76 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:44 am

Amazing! And to think he gave 6.21 a try . . . Wow!

6.21 would have been a 5cm improvement. Will he now try to raise it 1 or 2 cm at a time? The HJ & PV have always had that tension when it comes to WR's. When you're firing on all cylinders, it seems you would go as high as you can. But with $$ incentives for every WR, and the conviction that your fitness is long term, why forego multiple WR (and $$) opportunities? The last time the WR was raised more than 2 cm was July 13, 1985, when Bubka took it from 5.94 to the very first 6 meter vault.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:44 am

JumboElliott wrote:I...
Also, Lavillenie is three inches shorter and 44 pounds lighter than Bubka. Has there ever been a shorter/lighter world record holder?...


Kjell Isaksson was 5-8½/150 (1.74/68).. Lavill is 5-9¼/152 (1.76/69)
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Marlow » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:46 am


Look at the very first frame and the next few. I have NEVER seen a successful jump with the pole bent over that far . . . amazing! That also has to be the World Record for jumping over one's grip - around 4'. :shock:
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby jmd » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:51 am

Félicitations et un grand bravo à Renaud,
le nouveau recordman du monde !

He is the 5th French to beat the world record :

- Fernand Gonder, 1904, with 3.69m
- Fernand Gonder, 1905, with 3.74m (but his two records remained unofficial)
- Thierry Vigneron, 1980, with 5.75m
- Philippe Houvion, 1980, with 5.77m
- Thierry Vigneron, 1981, with 5.80m
- Pierre Quinon, 1983, with 5.82m
- Thierry Vigneron, 1983, with 5.83m
- Thierry Vigneron, 1984, with 5.91m
- Renaud Lavillenie, 2014, with 6.16m !

Once more : BRAVO ! :D




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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby br » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:02 am

I'm assuming it's a safe bet to say we know who will be on the April cover.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:05 am

yes, Dibaba and her 3 WRs :-)
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:06 am

Allow us to claim a prescience award :-)

At the back of the March issue, which was published last week, in the "Next Month in T&FN" section, there's a picture of Lavillenie titled "More World Records To Come?"
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:44 am

There have now been 29 clearances of 6.05 (19-10¼) or higher.

The list is on the front page (24 of them are by Bubka, of course)
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby user4 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:50 am

Watching this realatively small guy do what he does is absolutely mesmerizing. One of the greatest athletes of our time. That he is the latest in a long line of pv greats from France is a great testimony to the French commitment to the vault.

However allow me to question one thing: Can we compare these raised runways to the old runways of the pre 1990s ?.. Something tells me that there is bound to be more bounce running on these hollow structures.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby DoubleRBar » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:54 am

That's an amazing record. Fantastic.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Powell » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:03 pm

They say his injury is likely serious enough to eliminate him from the WIC :?
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Marlow » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:03 pm

user4 wrote:However allow me to question one thing: Can we compare these raised runways to the old runways of the pre 1990s ?.. Something tells me that there is bound to be more bounce running on these hollow structures.

Bubka jumped on essentially identical indoor runways.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:14 pm

user4 wrote:However allow me to question one thing: Can we compare these raised runways to the old runways of the pre 1990s ?.. Something tells me that there is bound to be more bounce running on these hollow structures.


For the record to be ratified, there will be a ton of measurements taken. There's a bounce test of some sort for raised runways. The runway will need to be surveyed with a transit. The box will have to be perfectly up to par. Etc.

But I assume most/all of this was done in advance, obviously this was not out of nowhere, and I believe Isinbayeva has set world records there before and of course Bubka did too, so the folks in Donetsk know their stuff. I don't have any reason to believe there will be anything that would be a problem.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Sasuke » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:20 pm

Powell wrote:They say his injury is likely serious enough to eliminate him from the WIC :?


That serious? On the french federation's website it's said that his injury is just a minor one... :?:
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:27 pm

As of like an hour ago, the reports I saw indicated he was still in the arena signing autographs, his foot injury did not appear to be serious, but he was encouraged to get it x-rayed just in case. It didn't sound like it was serious, I think any reports of him missing World Indoors are premature.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:28 pm

The maker of Lavillenie's poles was there, here is what he told his wife:

Just so the rumor mill doesn't explode, Renauld did NOT break his foot on his further attempt at WR (as being posted in some places.) His mid-mark was off and he came down on the runway (not in the box). He has a cut but is up smiling, signing autographs etc and seems fine, but in a little bit of pain....so I'm told by eyewitness : )


and her update:

WR UPDATE: Renauld was still signing autographs when Steve left venue. (With urging) he is getting his foot checked out afterwards - X-rays etc. Steve said his heel was bleeding a bit.

Sergey told Steve he was so happy it happened in Donetsk saying "He's a really good guy and I'm so proud to be passing the baton to Renauld..."
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby norunner » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:39 pm

Would have been a shame, with no germans left to annoy him, he could set the highlight in Sopot.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Sasuke » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:48 pm

A 5.86m cleared with his first attempt could give him victory with ease.
Nobody has been in shape recently, and no-one seems to be able to jump 5.90+...
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby Marlow » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:12 pm

polevaultpower wrote:the folks in Donetsk know their stuff.

I'd be willing to venture a guess that it's the ideal set-up for PVing.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby gh » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:42 pm

user4 wrote:….
However allow me to question one thing: Can we compare these raised runways to the old runways of the pre 1990s ?.. Something tells me that there is bound to be more bounce running on these hollow structures.


The video isn't very conclusive, but it's my understanding that Donets'k doesn't have raised runways. I could well be wrong.

In any case, a "hollow structure" doesn't necessarily have any bounce. Depends on the framing.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby JumboElliott » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:11 pm

norunner wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Is 29 years the longest period between new world record holders in any event?
Can't be, Kratochvilova is in her 31st year over 800m.

Yes, but it remains to be seen if her record will ever be broken.
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby dukehjsteve » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:13 pm

Having watched the video, note that he cleared it "clean".... so much for crying and moaning by many here about shortened pegs. As I have said repeatedly, just CLEAR the damn thing CLEAN, and there is no problem !
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby user4 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:35 pm

Can someone with knowledge of the event please discuss how he does it technically.

1) What is his runway speed like. He participated in a few dashes last year and it was underwhelming as I recall. My sophomoric understand of the event was that, all other things being equal, runway speed translates to height.

2) He is a relatively light athlete at 150lbs. Is it the case that the poles are more perfectly elastic, giving back all that is put into them as the weight of the athlete goes down. Is his light weight an advantage ?
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Re: Lavillenie 6.16m WR [20-2½!]

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:12 pm

His sprint times might be slow but he may not be particularly good at the 50-100m segment and his start might be extremely mediocre. Neither of those two factors matters a whit for the vault. He seems fast on the runway to me. Also important is the ability to do it half a dozen times over a short interval, not something sprinters face.
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