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PV at WIC

Postby Powell » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:30 am

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the PV competitions at this year's WIC will be straight finals. I guess that explains the tough qualifying standards (5.75 and 4.71)... But what got me puzzled is the following from the IAAF qualification criteria:
In the Pole Vault, events shall be held as straight Finals with twelve athletes starting in each event. Entries will be determined by a combination of entry standards and ranking.


Should this be construed as "at least twelve", "approximately twelve" or "exactly twelve"? If it's the last, that could mean athletes who have the qualifying standard will be denied entry based on some (undisclosed) criteria. If the first, athletes could be added to the field if fewer than 12 are entered.

With just over a week left till the end of the qualifying period, the list of qualified athletes is as follows:

    Braz BRA 5.83
    Dutra BRA 5.82
    Yang CHN 5.80
    Xue CHN 5.76
    Kudlicka CZE 5.83
    Lavillenie FRA 6.08
    Clavier FRA 5.76
    Menaldo FRA 5.75
    Cutts GBR 5.83
    Holzdeppe GER 5.91
    Otto GER 5.90
    Mohr GER 5.86
    Gruber GER 5.75
    Scherbarth GER 5.75
    Filippidis GRE 5.83
    Yamamoto JPN 5.75
    Wojciechowski POL 5.76
    Sobera POL 5.75
    Lisek POL 5.75
    Walker USA 5.83
    Kendricks USA 5.81

    Murer BRA 4.75
    Silva CUB 4.90
    Svobodova CZE 4.76
    Bleasdale GBR 4.73
    Spiegelburg GER 4.79
    Hingst GER 4.71
    Kiriakopoulou GRE 4.72
    Rogowska POL 4.76
    Isinbayeva RUS 4.89
    Savchenko RUS 4.73
    Sidorova RUS 4.71
    Sutej SLO 4.71
    Suhr USA 5.02
    Hutson USA 4.75

Taking a maximum of 2 vaulters per country, that gives a maximum number of 16 men and 13 women with right of entry. A few of the above list will probably not be competing (injured, skipping the indoor season, retired etc.), but we're still likely to end up with more than 12 on the men's side at least. So how is the IAAF going to deal with this?
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby norunner » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:54 am

That may not be a problem at all, looking at above lists it's possible there won't be more than 12 athletes left. Take away Hingst (who doesn't have the german standard) and Isinbayeva, that leaves 12. Of the five germans, only Mohr has the german standard, so four germans can be scratched, only two poles and french are allowed, scratch one each, Walker had ONE competition this indoor season, where he NHed, Yamamoto hasn't shown up at all, they may not be in Sobot. That leaves 13 and there may be other considerations like local standards which i don't know about.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby Powell » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:39 am

norunner wrote:Of the five germans, only Mohr has the german standard, so four germans can be scratched, only two poles and french are allowed, scratch one each, Walker had ONE competition this indoor season, where he NHed, Yamamoto hasn't shown up at all, they may not be in Sobot. That leaves 13 and there may be other considerations like local standards which i don't know about.


You're right about Germany, although with so many good male vaulters I think it's pretty likely at least one more will clear 5.75 by the end of next week. But as for the US, they have a policy of sending as many athletes as possible to championship events, so unless Walker is physically unable to compete (or makes a choice not to), he'll go. I have no idea about Yamamoto's status, either.

norunner wrote:Take away Hingst (who doesn't have the german standard) and Isinbayeva, that leaves 12.


Isinbayeva's absence makes no difference, though, Russia may still potentially enter 2 athletes.
Anyway, the other question is what happens if fewer than 12 athletes with qualifying standards are entered.

Another thing, the WIC are is Sopot, with a 'p' in the middle, not a 'b' :P
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby norunner » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:45 am

Powell wrote:Another thing, the WIC are is Sopot, with a 'p' in the middle, not a 'b' :P
Yeah sorry, those bolish names always confuse me. 8-)
I doubt there will be any more germans qualifying, Otto is injured, Holzdeppe was sick and has not regained his form and the others simply don't have 5.75 in them.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby Dave » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:20 pm

Lavillenie > 6.04?
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby polevaultpower » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:56 pm

Aren't they are taking the top 12 with the standard, once you eliminate those not entering? What I don't recall getting an answer on was what happens if there is a tie for that 12th spot.

"In the Pole Vault, events shall be held as straight Finals with twelve athletes starting in each event. Entries will be determined by a combination of entry standards and ranking."

If less than 12 qualified athletes enter, I don't think they would have any problem with a smaller field.

I am guessing Kendricks won't get the chance to make the team, most of the big schools don't seem to like to send their athletes to Indoor USAs/World Indoors. I'd love to be wrong though!
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby Powell » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:07 am

So in effect you're saying it's "twelve maximum". Are you saying this based purely on the reading of the qualifying rule, or was there some additional clarification?
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby tandfman » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:19 am

It's my understanding that if more than 12 make the standard (max 2 per country) and more than 12 enter, they'll all be permitted to compete. If fewer than 12 make the standard and enter, they'll go down the performer lists to fill the field to 12.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby gktrack » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:25 pm

polevaultpower wrote:...
I am guessing Kendricks won't get the chance to make the team, most of the big schools don't seem to like to send their athletes to Indoor USAs/World Indoors. I'd love to be wrong though!


Kendricks with an indoor PR today at Don Kirby Meet in New Mexico, 5.70m / 18-08.25 (AL)
http://liverunningresults.com/fall13sp14/unmfeb1415/
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby polevaultpower » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:05 am

Powell wrote:So in effect you're saying it's "twelve maximum". Are you saying this based purely on the reading of the qualifying rule, or was there some additional clarification?


Based on conversation with Bob Hersh
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby Powell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:49 am

polevaultpower wrote:
Powell wrote:So in effect you're saying it's "twelve maximum". Are you saying this based purely on the reading of the qualifying rule, or was there some additional clarification?


Based on conversation with Bob Hersh


OK, it does make sense. I understand now why we have multiple marks of 5.76/5.77 and 4.72/4.73 on this year's world lists.
It's looking increasingly likely we won't get more than 12 entrants with the qualifying mark in either men's or women's PV, though.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:28 am

Walker and Kendricks are not entered at USATF Indoors, so I guess we're not sending any MPVers unless someone qualifies at USAs?
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby Cooter Brown » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:44 pm

With Lavillenie, Otto, and Holzdeppe out, are we looking at a British favorite? Talk about a wide open event now.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby norunner » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:03 pm

Cooter Brown wrote:With Lavillenie, Otto, and Holzdeppe out, are we looking at a British favorite? Talk about a wide open event now.
Malte Mohr thinks he can jump 5.90, he mentioned somewhere that his 5.75 were with a shorter approach, but his NH in Donetsk doesn't exactly spell favourite. Let's see what he can do at the german champs this weekend.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:39 pm

Cooter Brown wrote:With Lavillenie, Otto, and Holzdeppe out, are we looking at a British favorite? Talk about a wide open event now.


They're sure looking good for a medal! As much as we'd all love to see Lavillenie break another World Record at Worlds, the battle for medals looks wiiiide open right now with him out.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby Powell » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:04 am

I like Paweł Wojciechowski's chances. With his ability to raise his game when it matters, as long as he is fully healthy, he can go much higher than he has this year.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby norunner » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:12 am

Mohr 5.84m today at the german champs with a great series 5.40/1, 5.60/1, 5.76/1, 5.84/2.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby dec7000 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:59 am

Do the IAAF have 12 male vaulters who have achieved the 5.75 standard who are fit/willing to jump in Sopot? If they haven't, will they invite the next best based on the indoor rankings (or outdoor)?

The criteria seem a little vague and even explanations above don't seem to make things much clearer!
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby Powell » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:46 am

dec7000 wrote:Do the IAAF have 12 male vaulters who have achieved the 5.75 standard who are fit/willing to jump in Sopot?


Compared to the full list I gave earlier (which is final, since no more vaulters got the standard before the deadline), the US enters no vaulters and Germany will have only one, so that takes the number of potential participants down to 13. I haven't seen the Brazilian, Chinese or Japanese team lineups anywhere, but Yamamoto hasn't competed at all this year, and Dutra got injured in Bydgoszcz and hasn't appeared since, so that's potentially down to 11 vaulters.

On the women's side, only one German has been entered, but apart from that everyone should be there (the US will have Saxer instead of Hutson, but that doesn't change the overall number), so it looks like 12 athletes exactly.
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby Powell » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:40 am

As it turns out, there are exactly 12 men and 12 women, all with qualifying standard, entered for Sopot (nominally 13 women, but that includes one extra American, who will not be able to compete).
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Re: PV at WIC

Postby norunner » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:42 am

If Spiegelburg gets another 4th place we may see a live suicide by pole.
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