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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby Gabriella » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:55 am

mump boy wrote:KJT jumped 6.75 today :D


The key with KJT last season, for me, was her JT and 800 improvements. The other events we knew she could do and she's been progressing nicely, but breaking 40m in the JT and then running that superb sub 2:10 in the 800 gave her tonnes of confidence I think. Just missing that bronze medal must also have given her motivation.

Like many I believe KJT is one of the future world beaters in this event. She can do 6600-6700 this season for sure. When she comes back in 2015, after misisng 2 seasons, I do wonder whether Ennis will be able to be on the top of the podium again. I think KJT will take over as UK/World number 1.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby Gabriella » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:06 am

In her post LJ interview KJT implied she would focus on the Commonwealth Games heptathlon and do the HJ or LJ at the Europeans :? Did anyone else think that, or did I get them the wrong way round?
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby jjimbojames » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:16 pm

Gabriella wrote:In her post LJ interview KJT implied she would focus on the Commonwealth Games heptathlon and do the HJ or LJ at the Europeans :? Did anyone else think that, or did I get them the wrong way round?

That's what I got too. Sounds like CWG are her main focus, hence the hep there and then Europeans an extra
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby athlete101 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:42 pm

Surely she has that the wrong way round. Bar 2 Americans all the worlds best high jumpers are European, no doubt she will make some improvement until then but that's a tough feat . She could potentially win Gold at Commies in LJ and HJ, then do Hept at Euros. I would fancy her chances of medal success like that rather than LJ and HJ at euros.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby norunner » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:29 pm

athlete101 wrote:Surely she has that the wrong way round. Bar 2 Americans all the worlds best high jumpers are European, no doubt she will make some improvement until then but that's a tough feat . She could potentially win Gold at Commies in LJ and HJ, then do Hept at Euros. I would fancy her chances of medal success like that rather than LJ and HJ at euros.
Doing hept at the Commonwealth Games gives her a definite gold medal, while at the euros she may be beaten.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby mump boy » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:09 pm

norunner wrote:Doing hept at the Commonwealth Games gives her a definite gold medal, while at the euros she may be beaten.


Does it ?

Isn't Brianne Theisen Eaton doing CWG, isn't Jessica Zelinka coming back to Hep

I would still make KJT the favourite but not a definite gold.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:45 pm

BTW, Cato and Ziemke both NH at the Armory meet in the PV (opening at 500 or higher, but Cato has been opening at 500 so far this season, so I was a bit surprised (unless he opened at 515, which might have been the case).
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby nianchengyu » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:42 pm

16-year-old GBR Morgan Lake has broken carolina kluft's world youth indoor pentathlon best with 4284!
60H: 8.97
HJ: 1.85m PB indoors;1.90m outdoor pb at 16.
SP: 13.38m PB
LJ: 5.87m
800: 2:24.48 PB
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby norunner » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:33 am

mump boy wrote:
norunner wrote:Doing hept at the Commonwealth Games gives her a definite gold medal, while at the euros she may be beaten.


Does it ?

Isn't Brianne Theisen Eaton doing CWG, isn't Jessica Zelinka coming back to Hep

I would still make KJT the favourite but not a definite gold.
Right, i forgot about Canada. Let's put it that way: Her chances for gold at the hep are much better at the Commonwealth Games.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-KJT 1.96m HJ NR

Postby nianchengyu » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:32 am

Yana MAKSIMAVA set 4686p PB WL recently with 6,14m LJ pb by 12cm :
4686 Yana MAKSIMAVA 9 JAN 1989 BLR 1 Gomel 08 FEB 2014
( 8.51 - 1.86 - 14.43 - 6.14 - 2:12.86 )
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby Gabriella » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:02 am

A slight improvement from last season, but significantly, as you point out, she's now starting to have a fairly decent LJ with that PB. 'Only' 1.86 here in the HJ though; I wonder how close she was to the next height or whether she's been focussing on her weaker event? She ran an 8.5 over 60mh last year but then outdoors was stuck just inside 14 secs. If se can be consistent at 8.5 (or PB again) she should be approaching 13.5 outdoors which would be a big improvement.

Maksimava's problem is that her two weakest events are the two where traditionally hepttahletes get the most points; the 100h and LJ. The next top scoring event is the 200m and she is very poor over that too. If she wants big scores she really needs to be running under 25 secs in the 200 and get to 13.5 in the hurdles. That LJ needs to be ideally at the 6.3 level. Unfortunately the way the scoring tables work is it doesnt matter that you can throw the shot 15m or High jump 1.9 if you're just a 14 sec hurdler or sub 6m Longjumper.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby aaronk » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:46 am

nianchengyu wrote:16-year-old GBR Morgan Lake has broken carolina kluft's world youth indoor pentathlon best with 4284!
60H: 8.97
HJ: 1.85m PB indoors;1.90m outdoor pb at 16.
SP: 13.38m PB
LJ: 5.87m
800: 2:24.48 PB


Kendell Williams, the HSR holder with her 4068 from 2013, recently did 4302 for what I believe is an Age 17 best.
So we now have a best-ever for 16 AND 17 year old's this year!!
(ADD:: OOPS!! Kendell's now 18. She was 17 when she did the 4068!)

For comparison, here's (side by side) Lake's and William's marks"

KW 8.40 5-11.25 36-9.50 20-6.25 2:26.64
ML 8.97 6-0.75 43-11.50 19-3.25 2:24.48

So it's Williams easily besting Lake in the 60H and LJ.
It's Lake easily in the SP.
And they're fairly even in the HJ and 800.

Quick question (unrelated to above):
What's Brianna Theisen-Eaton's 800 PR?
She paced the Boston 1000 Saturday, leading through 600 in about 1:31.6.
That's 2:02 pace!!
And she looked VERY fresh when she pulled off!!
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby norunner » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:59 am

Didn't they use 4kg for the SP when Klüft set her record back in 2000 ?
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby gh » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:37 am

are you saying Lake wasn't using a 4-kilo?
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby norunner » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:46 am

gh wrote:are you saying Lake wasn't using a 4-kilo?
I don't know but she is U18 and the standard for that age group is 3kg, so i assumed that's what she used. Did she use 4kg?
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:01 am

So, what is the implement for the multis? Did she use the appropriate weight?
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby Powell » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:31 am

26mi235 wrote:So, what is the implement for the multis? Did she use the appropriate weight?


Like Norunner said, IAAF's standard for U18 competitions is 3k shot (and 30-in hurdles). But that doesn't mean youth athletes aren't allowed to take part in competitions where senior implements are used.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby norunner » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:45 am

I checked on tilastopaja, Lake competed at the swedish national champs, so she used 4kg. Anyone notice the 4444 points by Sofia Linde? Last year she did 100 points less at the NCs and then improved to 4531 at the indoor ECs. Too bad she can't compete in Sobot, she could crack Klüfts WR.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby Powell » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:27 am

Kluft os no longer the WJR holder indoors; Nafissatou Thiam scored 4558 last year.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby norunner » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:44 am

Powell wrote:Kluft os no longer the WJR holder indoors; Nafissatou Thiam scored 4558 last year.
Powell, you are getting old. :wink: That 4558 wasn't accepted as WR because the drug test after the competition wasn't done in time.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby Powell » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:13 pm

Could be :) I guess I don't follow the ratification procedures closely, but anyway, Thiam has the best ever score by a junior.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes

Postby olorin » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:44 pm

olorin wrote:Nixon is competing in Brimingham. After the first day he leads the competition with 3511 points (6.93-7.50-14.42-2.12). This is only 16 points behind his results in Albuquerque. He set two PBs in the 60h and the PV in Albuquerque so it will be hard for him to get to ~6,200 points. However, relatively modest marks of 8.05 (PB 7.93) - 4.50 (4.80) and 2:40 (2:39.08) will be enough for a WL mark and ensure his spot for Sopot.
With only 10 days for the deadline still (as far as I know) no marks from both Mayer and Sintinicolaas so qualifying may be much easier than I thought.


Both Mayer and Sintinicolaas finally started the season, both well below par.
Sintinicolaas
60 7.13 (PB 6.88)
LJ 7.21 (7.65)
SP 14.17 (14.46)
Mayer
60 7.38 (7.10)
LJ 7.01 (7.54)
SP 14.46 (15.16)

Race to Sopot

1. Oleksiy KASYANOV...85...UKR...6104
2. Kai KAZMIREK.........91...GER...6083
3. Gunnar NIXON.........93...USA...6039
4. John LANE.............89...GBR...5982

So far very weak level compares with last year (14 above 6000 7 above 6100)
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby dec7000 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:41 am

You missed Shkurenev who is 4th on the list with 5996. There are a number of national combined events champs this weekend including the Dutch where Hardee, Sintnicolaas and other leading decathletes are taking part. Also Katarina Johnson Thompson in the pentathlon.

There could be an almighty scramble for places! As we haven't heard about wildcards will the IAAF invite the top 4 on the rankings?
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby norunner » Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:37 am

As mentioned earlier, Kazmirek won't be competing in Sobot, even if invited, so for the "Race to Sobot" he is not a factor.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby mump boy » Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:54 am

Is it 3 from indoors, 4 from '13 outdoor rankings (or World Champs ??) and a wild card ?

Who are top 4 from last year, do they want to compete ??
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby Gabriella » Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:58 am

Invited and confirmed thus far, based on 2013 outdoor rankings:

Hanna Melnychenko
Brianne Thiesen-Eaton
Sharon Day
Claudia Rath


Pascal Behrenbruch
Ashton Eaton
Andrei Krauchanka
Damian Warner

So it's the 3 indoor athletes and 1 wild card to be decided
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby norunner » Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:08 am

Almost, Gabriella, one spot goes to the winner of the combined challenge, which Krauchanka won, he wasn't even in the top 5 of last years outdoor list. Behrenbruch got invited because Schrader is injured, otherwise he would not have gotten invited since they only allow one athlete per country from the outdoor lists.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:17 am

26-year-old Ellinore Hallin of SWE/5801p opened thisn season with three pbs in 60H/8.42,8.41,8.27s and big pb in SP BY 72cm/ 15.19 PB 14.08 14.79 14.57 14.52 14.13,here are her other events pb:
13.55/8.27s,1.75,15.19,24.66,5.97,43.26,2.17.63
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:28 pm

Cato went 7.50 and 7.49 in the LJ (three attempts) at Tyson and ran 8.09 and 8.07 in the 60h. Zeimek hit 7.20 in the LJ and 8.40 in the 60h, they are listed for the PV tomorrow, as is Lazas. Last year at NCAAs those three waged a dual that resulted in 5.30/5.40/5.40, the latter two being the highest US collegiate Hept marks for the PV.

Latham (Wisc) again hit 8.34 for the 60h.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes

Postby eldanielfire » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:25 am

Gabriella wrote:So, it looks like Jennifer Oeser will not be completing a heptathlon until late in the season at the European Police Champinships in September, if at all. Her injury woes have continuned so she can only plan single starts and again not for a while.

Better news for Lilli Schwarzkopf, who is planning to start in Gotzis.

So, with a retired Dobrynska, a banned Yosypenko, an injured Oeser and a pregnant Ennis means we will only see Schwarzkopf, Chernova, and preseumably Skujyte from the 'old' elite/medalists compete this season. So it looks like we are now entering a new cycle as we did in 2008.


Indeed. Sad to see Oeser still struggling but great to see Schwarzkopf back. 2013 was certainly a transitional season, who would have thought Hanna Melnychenko would be a global gold medallist. I suspect that transistion will continue a bit this season with a lot of the new class that showed themselves in 2012 will have a key season in their journey to the top.

We know Schippers is getting better and better, Johnson-Thompson seems to be going from strength to strength, I see Laura Ikauniece has recovered from her injuries last year to set a national record, Broersen and Thieson-Eaton have become genuine medal threats,
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:26 am

Dutch heptathlon result so far:
1 HARDEE, Trey (BM) USA 2697 6.75 973 7.34 896 15.63 828 0.00 0
2 1 SINTNICOLAAS , Eelco AV '34 2594 7.04 868 7.59 957 14.66pb 769 0.00 0
3 18 PLAETSEN VD, Thomas (BM) Belgie 2541 7.24 799 7.78 1005 14.14 737 0.00 0
4 14 VOS, Ingmar PAC 2460 7.14 833 7.32 891 14.13 736 0.00 0
5 2 BRAUN, Pieter Sprint 2372 7.31 775 7.39 908 13.35 689 0.00 0
6 5 JEHEE, Pim AAV '36 2342 7.17 823 7.32 891 12.35 628 0.00 0
7 6 VLOON, Menno Lycurgus 2333 7.09 851 7.11 840 12.59 642 0.00 0
8 3 MARKIES, Bas AV '34 2275 7.28 785 7.04 823 12.99 667 0.00 0
9 10 WIJNGAARD VAN DEN, Bart Scorpio 2206 7.33 769 6.73 750 13.33 687 0.00 0
10 13 NUYTINCK, Steven AAV '36 2177 7.24 799 7.13 845 10.78 533 0.00 0
11 11 COOPS, Robin Hellas 2097 7.22 806 6.76 757 10.81 534 0.00 0
12 9 SAMAN, Adriaan AV '34 2077 7.70 650 6.66 734 13.43 693 0.00 0
13 8 TICHELOVEN, Thomas Lycurgus 1965 7.42 739 6.57 713 10.46 513 0.00 0
14 12 THOLL VAN, Alain AV '23 1950 7.29 782 6.40 675 10.13 493 0.00 0
15 4 KUIN, Ronald Daventria 1723 7.64 668 6.01 589 9.67 466 0.00 0
16 7 LAM, Daniel Phanos 1428 DIS 0 7.01 816 12.09 612 0.00 0
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with26

Postby nianchengyu » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:27 am

Good job by schippers,in 3 hours she participated in LJ,60m heat and final,achieving 6.43m indoor pb in LJ by 4 attempt ,and 7.17s in 60m being her best mark except last year EIC 7.15s and 7.14s.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes- Maksimava 4686p WL

Postby olorin » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:31 pm

nianchengyu wrote:Dutch heptathlon result so far:
1 HARDEE, Trey (BM) USA 2697 6.75 973 7.34 896 15.63 828 0.00 0
2 1 SINTNICOLAAS , Eelco AV '34 2594 7.04 868 7.59 957 14.66pb 769 0.00 0
3 18 PLAETSEN VD, Thomas (BM) Belgie 2541 7.24 799 7.78 1005 14.14 737 0.00 0

After four events Hardee leads with 3519 points (2.02 HJ) Plaetsen is second with 3419 points (2.08 HJ) and Sintinicolaas is third (couln't find his exact score).
All three have a good second day (especially in the PV) and should all score above 6104 to take the first three places in the world list.
Ninchengyu can you post your link to the results?

Edit: Sintnicolaas third with 3416 (2.02 HJ). He should be able to overtake Plaetsen and finish behind Hardee (assuming no disasters).
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby unclezadok » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:27 pm

It's a good sign that Hardee had 2.02 in the HJ.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:47 pm

Cato just destroyed the Wisconsin school record with a 5.55/18-2.5 (the 5.40 from Ziemek at NCAAs a year ago). Ziemek had a SB of 5.16 while Lazas was only 5.01. Going with his 7.50 and 219, it would seem that if Cato can it a good shot (and he will be around 7 and 8 in the 60s), he should be the favorite to finally win NCAAs (after two seconds). In fact, his total could approach all by Eaton's. [a 8.00/770/13.50/219/7.00/555/2:45 yields a 6431, not really going to happen, but there is a lot of room for a pretty good score]
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby unclezadok » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:23 pm

Jeez, Cato could almost drop-kick the SP and win the NCAAs with those jumps.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:36 pm

Now that Cato is at 219/555/785, where does he stand among multi guys (of course, those are all PRs, not made during Hept/Deca's)? His jumps and sprint/hurdles PRs yield 4991 while the jumps plus the 60h is 4112.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby eiluke » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:09 pm

It these 5.55 are verified, this lifts Cato to the all time #1 overall with a combined score of 3087 pts in the jumps! (not just among the dectathletes, but those who can do these 3 events are of course all decathletes)
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby olorin » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:14 pm

26mi235 wrote:Now that Cato is at 219/555/785, where does he stand among multi guys (of course, those are all PRs, not made during Hept/Deca's)? His jumps and sprint/hurdles PRs yield 4991 while the jumps plus the 60h is 4112.


The sum of his jumps PBs is equal to 3087 points which is better than all elite decathletes (top 30). Eaton has a sum pf PBs of 3046 Sebrle 3005 O'Brian 2986 and Pappas 2985.
Of the current crop Sintnicolaas has 2924.
Note that this is based on a partial list so I may have few omissions.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby eiluke » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:50 am

you do even underestimate some of the mentiond names olorin. I posted a table (page 3 of this thread) a few days ago
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