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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby gh » Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:28 pm

Jon wrote:...
Butvina (ranked highest of 'the rest' this year)
Johnson-Thompson (highest finisher of 'the rest' at last year's World Champs)
Tyminska (Polish medal hope and highest PB of 'the rest')...


I'm guessing the fix is in, but giving it to Tyminska would be just fine by me.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby andyjgt » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:16 am

Jon wrote:
andyjgt wrote:Where was Fyodorova's performance done? (BTW it isn't a PB, she did 4622 last year at the NC, but only 4420 at the EC.) Also, got a breakdown?
Yep, I know it's not a PB :-)

It was at the Hungarian Championships. Her marks were 8.65, 1.75m, 15.34m, 6.34m, 2:17.61.


Thanks. So her HJ was well below par. She did 1.90 last year at the ECCE! (but only 13.97 in the shot, and DNF the hep in the end). Excellent shot here!

She's a bit like Maksimava (and Skujyte to a degree), good at both HJ (usually) and SP but not hurdles, though her LJ here was good.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby Gabriella » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:55 am

gh wrote:
Jon wrote:...
Butvina (ranked highest of 'the rest' this year)
Johnson-Thompson (highest finisher of 'the rest' at last year's World Champs)
Tyminska (Polish medal hope and highest PB of 'the rest')...


I'm guessing the fix is in, but giving it to Tyminska would be just fine by me.


I agree. There's no point giving it to the next best ranked athlete, otherwise what's the point in calling it a wild card? It'd just be the top 4 ranked indoors.

It makes sense to give it to Tyminska; local girl, solid performances last year and this year. KJT would be a good wild card but the fact that she had to pull out of the Dutch championships doesn't bode well. Not sure how bad she is (it was suggested she had a cold/flu rather than injury) or how much effort the local organising committee go to in finding out how fit and healthy athletes are.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby Powell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:59 am

norunner wrote:With only eight athletes there will always be those left out.


To me, the question is: why only eight? I understand the need for a limit due to logistical considerations, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. European Indoor Champs have 15 participants in multis and they seem to manage just fine; in the WIC, the limit was 12 until 1999, and I don't remember hearing of any huge timetable problems resulting from that.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby Gabriella » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:07 am

Powell wrote:
norunner wrote:With only eight athletes there will always be those left out.


To me, the question is: why only eight? I understand the need for a limit due to logistical considerations, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. European Indoor Champs have 15 participants in multis and they seem to manage just fine; in the WIC, the limit was 12 until 1999, and I don't remember hearing of any huge timetable problems resulting from that.


It's part of this horrible move to streamline viewing and reduce field events to a bare minimum.

I would love for them to suggest only the top 12 or 8 in every sprint event. There would be uproar.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby Powell » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:19 am

Gabriella wrote:It's part of this horrible move to streamline viewing and reduce field events to a bare minimum.


I know, but would 12 instead of 8 really ruin the WIC?
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby Gabriella » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:15 am

The invites have gone out today to the athletes at the top of this years indoor lists and Van De Plaetsen has accepted. Not sure if the wild card invite has gone out though.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Hardee leads with35

Postby nevetsllim » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:56 am

Powell wrote:
Gabriella wrote:It's part of this horrible move to streamline viewing and reduce field events to a bare minimum.


I know, but would 12 instead of 8 really ruin the WIC?


Kelly Sotherton was saying she prefers the World Indoors format of eight competitors because the infield can get quite congested indoors with sprawling fields, and they compete directly against each other as they can all be drawn in one race for the track events.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby nianchengyu » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:26 pm

Klucinova ran 8.60s pb in 60H and jumped 6.23m indoor pb in LJ.Farkas has such result as follwing:
60mH ind. 8.68 Budapest (HUN) 16.02.2014
Long Jump ind. 6.11 Budapest (HUN) 09.02.2014
Shot Put ind. 13.97 PB Budapest (HUN) 09.02.2014
BTW,Thiam had 14.22m IPB in SP.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby nevetsllim » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:12 pm

Maksimava set an outright high jump PB of 1.93m at the Belarussian Indoor Champs. She only jumped 1.86m en route to her 4686 lifetime best a few weeks ago so there is room for improvement in Sopot.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby olorin » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:12 pm

Another name to watch in Alex McCune (born 1993) from Akron who is having a wonderful season so far.
60 6.97PB (PB before this season 7.08)
LJ - 7.21 (7.25)
SP 14.28!!PB (12.88)
HJ - 1.95 (1.93)
60h - 8.02!PB (8.21)
PV - 5.35!!PB (5.10)
1000 - 2:52.65 (2:48.78)
Hep - 5864 (5583)

If he will continue in the same pace then he can become the Scantling of 2014 (speaking of Scantling he didn't start the season yet - Marlow??)
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby Powell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:33 am

Tymińska showed somewhat better form in LJ with 6.36 at the national champs, but reached only 14.18 in SP.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby Jon » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:16 am

Kravchenko cleared 5.20m in the pole vault at the Belarusian Champs and long jumped 7.50m.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby norunner » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:55 pm

Outdoors: 6231points for Yorgelis Rodriguez CUB (born 95) in Havana last weekend (14.01/0.0 1.84 14.21 24.93/0.0 6.03/0.0 47.58 2:17.93).
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby olorin » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:02 pm

norunner wrote:Outdoors: 6231points for Yorgelis Rodriguez CUB (born 95) in Havana last weekend (14.01/0.0 1.84 14.21 24.93/0.0 6.03/0.0 47.58 2:17.93).

New PB in both the Heptathlon (6186) and SP (14.00).
Should retain her Junior world title in Eugenea although Linde and Williams may have something to say about it.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby gktrack » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:31 pm

One name I have not seen since the 2013 WC's, is Jeremy Taiwo, who many of us believe has much more potential than his current PR of 8239. Maybe it was posted/mentioned elsewhere, but I just found out that he's now at the Chula Vista Olympic Training Center in California.

One of the things that came to my mind was his not-so-good discus throw/form last season?... well, with Mac Wilkins, who I also believe is now at Chula Vista, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jeremy with a nice improvement in his throws this year.

Best wishes Jeremy...

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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:01 am

It will be interesting to see what Cato and Ziemek do at Big Tens this weekend. The will be competing in multiple events and the objectives will not be to score as high as possible (especially in the Hept) but to focus on total points and qualifying for NCAAs.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby Jon » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:06 pm

Eaton 6.69 in the 60m and 7.58m in the LJ tonight in Athlone, Ireland.
Brianne Theisen-Eaton 1.80m in HJ and 13.46m outright PB in the shot.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby gktrack » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:33 pm

Chula Vista OTC is stepping it up... bringing in some good young talent, in all events. Looks like Gunnar Nixon is also training there (along with Taiwo)... They have some great coaches there (not to mention the year-round training conditions) that can only help this young talent pool - can't wait to see them in action come outdoors...
http://www.gunnarnixon.com/
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby Sasuke » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:35 am

Jon wrote:Eaton 6.69 in the 60m and 7.58m in the LJ tonight in Athlone, Ireland.
Brianne Theisen-Eaton 1.80m in HJ and 13.46m outright PB in the shot.


I fear this can rule out a WR in Sopot. 7.58m for Eaton sucks. His personal best is more than half a meter longer. And if he can jump only that in the LJ I don't see him doing better than 1.90 in the HJ; I think Ashton will benefit from not doing the decathlon this year... I hope he can return the real Eaton in the two jumps by next year.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:07 am

So far at Big Tens Cato had a so-so 60 (7.21) and LJ (7.34) but broke his SP PR by 37cm. ZZ has gotten modest PRs in each of the three events. ZZ might be doing just the Hept while Cato is also doing HJ PV and ? His goal is to score points, qualify for NCAAs and push for 1/2 won't mind losing to Ziemek, who has a 5937 PR [NCAAs] and if he matches his last four events from the last one will hit 6007, I think he might have trouble hitting 540 again and all of those last four marks are good for him, but he should still be in the 5900 ballpark.

Cato takes just 4 jumps at just three heights -- he is concurrently doing the open PV -- and still trails ZZ and Schneider (who has a mediocre PV of 420). ZZ does 203 and Schneider 209.

1 Ziemek, Zach 6.91 7.27m 13.34m
Wisconsin 23-10.25 43-09.25
2481 (915) (878) (688)
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2 Schneider, Kurt 7.04 7.26m 12.88m
Michigan State 23-10 42-03.25
2404 (868) (876) (660)
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3 Cato, Japheth 7.21 7.34m 13.49m
Wisconsin 24-01 44-03.25
2402 (809) (896) (697)

Deanne Latham (3333) has added about 55 points to her total from her 4117 earlier this season through 4 events (60h, HJ, SP, LJ); will probably give Wisconsin their fifth straight Big Ten Pent title. Her last 800 was 2:19 would give here about 4170. She runs 2:18.54 and totals 4176
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby olorin » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:55 am

A very busy weekend for collegian multi athletes where most compete in their conference meets. Here is a summary of their main results.

Curtis Beach (ACC) - score 5987 points. Still below par in most events but good performance in LJ 7.58 (PB indoor 7.52 outdoor 7.80) and PV 5.00 (PB indoor 4.90, outdoor 5.10). Needs further improvement if he is to challenge for top spot.

Japeth Cato - The busiest athlete on the circuit was Cato that was (mis?)used for no less than six events on Friday: 4 in the Heptathlon and then the open LJ & PV. Not surprisingly, although he won the event (5,837) his performances were (compare to his standard) mediocre at best. The only bright spot the new PB in the SP 13.58 (13.12). Cato broke his PB in the three jumps and the SP this season. Of a worry is the fact that he didn’t (so far) regain his pre-injury speed.

Ziemek - Mixed bag for the talented ZZ. He had no less than four individual PBs (60, LJ, SP and 60h). His PB in the 60 6.91 is the first time that he break the 7.00 barrier (previous PB 7.01). However, he destroyed any chance of a really big Heptathlon score with a weak PV (4.90 compared with 5.40 PB). With no Scantling and Lazas in relative poor form may have an outside chance for a medal.

Alex McCune - An athlete that will challenge ZZ for the dark horse in the NCAA final is McCune. Already qualify for the NCAA he competed in three individual events. He equal his PBs in the 60h (8.02) and PV (5.35). The LJ and HJ are his Achilles heel and will probably cost him the medal.

Michael Uibo - another athlete that had a breakthrough last season that took him all the way to Moscow. As many others in the men field seems to perform below par this season. He scored 5859 with only a single PB of 13.55 in the SP.

Lazas - didn’t compete this weekend. Already qualify to the NCAA. This year well below par compared with last year

Scantling - didn’t compete at all this winter season.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby gktrack » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:03 am

enjoyed your summary olorin...
1) What about Johannes Hock, last year's NCAA outdoor champ... any news on him?
2) Cato vs. Beach will be a great competition at the NCAA's, and both seniors I believe. Cato with the slight edge in PR's (6165 vs. 6138) and a slight edge in PR Sums (6491 vs. 6429)... and Cato coming back from injury vs. Beach coming back to his hometown of Albuquerque...
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby norunner » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:31 am

gktrack wrote:enjoyed your summary olorin...
1) What about Johannes Hock, last year's NCAA outdoor champ... any news on him?

Hock posted that he set a new PB of 8.18s for the hurdles and jumped 7.31m, wasn't happy with the LJ because his best jumps were off the board.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby gktrack » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:35 pm

A nice story out of the Mid-American Conference...
19 year old soph Mike Morgan (SUNY-Buffalo) increases his heptathlon PR by 1000+ points to 5704, about 9th in the NCAA's this year - he's gotta be excited going to the NCAA's I assume...
current (previous):
7.09 (7.34), 7.02 (6.82), 12.38 (10.59), 2.10 (1.99), 8.27 (9.01), 4.98 (3.60), 2:46.25 (2:57.70)
http://decathlonusa.typepad.com/files/volumexxxixnumber9march22014.pdf
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby olorin » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:35 pm

gktrack wrote:A nice story out of the Mid-American Conference...
19 year old soph Mike Morgan (SUNY-Buffalo) increases his heptathlon PR by 1000+ points to 5704, about 9th in the NCAA's this year - he's gotta be excited going to the NCAA's I assume...
current (previous):
7.09 (7.34), 7.02 (6.82), 12.38 (10.59), 2.10 (1.99), 8.27 (9.01), 4.98 (3.60), 2:46.25 (2:57.70)
http://decathlonusa.typepad.com/files/volumexxxixnumber9march22014.pdf

Very impressive - the US current depth in Heptathlon is amazing.
Quick question - when is the NCAA qualifying period ends for the Heptathlon Pentathlon (or is the last chance meetings are also relevant for the multi-event?
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby gktrack » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:01 pm

olorin wrote:Very impressive - the US current depth in Heptathlon is amazing.
Quick question - when is the NCAA qualifying period ends for the Heptathlon Pentathlon (or is the last chance meetings are also relevant for the multi-event?

I'm pretty sure today, March 2, is last day for NCAA qualifying, for all events...

...and unfortunately, outdoors, the US guys have to throw the discus and javelin, if you know what I mean.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby olorin » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:54 pm

gktrack wrote:...and unfortunately, outdoors, the US guys have to throw the discus and javelin, if you know what I mean.

You mean you are not impressed by (top 8 American in the NCAA list)
Beach 39.44 48.42
Lazas 43.25 60.09
McCune 39.45 53.64
Cato 39.60 44.51
ZZ 44.45 55.83
schneider 39.38 46.80
Keys 37.91 66.81
Morgan 31.95 39.02
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Postby gktrack » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:21 pm

Too funny olorin, but true... I should hide those columns in my spreadsheet during the indoor season... what happened to the good old days, like when Bryan Clay (standing no more than 5' 11" / 1.80m) was throwing: SP=16.27, DT=55.87! and JT 72.00.

But, looking at the glass half-full, I'm predicting much improved throws from Taiwo and Nixon this season (if Mac Wilkins at the CV-OTC has anything to say about that).
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:25 am

And Cato essentially did not throw last year, so that marks are two years old. In his first SP of the year he did add about a third of a meter to his PR at Big Tens.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-Thiam will join HJ

Postby nianchengyu » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:01 am

Thiam had 8.56s 60mh pb and 6.34m pb indoors,adding to her 1.94m HJ and 14.22m SP already,looking forward to her outdoor recult.BTW,she took part in HJ in Sopot.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby Sasuke » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:15 am

With this strongly restrictive policy that allows no more than 8 athletes in the multi events the one which are particularly strong in one event can (at least) enter that one. This is perhaps a bit more valid for women, where the differences between a multiplist and a "specialist" are a lot less visible.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby unclezadok » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:54 am

gktrack wrote:
olorin wrote:Very impressive - the US current depth in Heptathlon is amazing.
Quick question - when is the NCAA qualifying period ends for the Heptathlon Pentathlon (or is the last chance meetings are also relevant for the multi-event?

I'm pretty sure today, March 2, is last day for NCAA qualifying, for all events...

...and unfortunately, outdoors, the US guys have to throw the discus and javelin, if you know what I mean.


That must be why the U.S. has never won any decathlon medals at the Olympics or Worlds.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby nianchengyu » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:33 am

Morgan Lake jumped 1.88m indoor pb a few days ago.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby olorin » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:28 pm

After Eaton failure to break the WR I was looing in the NAIA results trying to see whether there is an emerging star to brighten up my day.
I came accros this:
Akela Jones (born 1995!) from Barbados score 4163 in the Pentathlon. The interesting thing that she did it with running 2:41 :shock: in the 800.
Then I looked at her PB in the other four events:
60h - 8.30
HJ - 1.87
SP - 14.16 (!)
LJ - 6.36

To illustrate how good these marks are. If she could replicate these marks in Sopot she would be ranked second only ~50 points behind Broersen. It will take her probably a year or two to lower her 800 PB to 2:25 and learn how to throw the Javelin. Defenately one to watch for the future.

Edit: After the Pentathlon she:
Won the LJ in 6.26 (indoor PB)
Won the HJ with 1.78
Won the 60h with 8.31
Finish second (shame on her) in the 60 7.52
and had a disaster in the SP only 11.97
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby gktrack » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:38 pm

unclezadok wrote:
gktrack wrote:
olorin wrote:Very impressive - the US current depth in Heptathlon is amazing.
Quick question - when is the NCAA qualifying period ends for the Heptathlon Pentathlon (or is the last chance meetings are also relevant for the multi-event?

I'm pretty sure today, March 2, is last day for NCAA qualifying, for all events...

...and unfortunately, outdoors, the US guys have to throw the discus and javelin, if you know what I mean.


That must be why the U.S. has never won any decathlon medals at the Olympics or Worlds.

unclezadok - let me assure you that there were no negative implications here, I believe you took things completely out of context.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby gktrack » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:47 pm

olorin wrote:After Eaton failure to break the WR I was looing in the NAIA results trying to see whether there is an emerging star to brighten up my day.
I came accros this:
Akela Jones (born 1995!) from Barbados score 4163 in the Pentathlon. The interesting thing that she did it with running 2:41 :shock: in the 800.
Then I looked at her PB in the other four events:
60h - 8.30
HJ - 1.87
SP - 14.16 (!)
LJ - 6.36

To illustrate how good these marks are. If she could replicate these marks in Sopot she would be ranked second only ~50 points behind Broersen. It will take her probably a year or two to lower her 800 PB to 2:25 and learn how to throw the Javelin. Defenately one to watch for the future.

Edit: After the Pentathlon she:
Won the LJ in 6.26 (indoor PB)
Won the HJ with 1.78
Won the 60h with 8.31
Finish second (shame on her) in the 60 7.52
and had a disaster in the SP only 11.97

Wow - what a find! Should be a great World Juniors this summer...
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby norunner » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:42 am

Johannes Hock posted on his FB page that he will be competing at the Texas Relays next week. He is hoping for around 7500 points, enough to qualify him for the NCAA champs. Since his right elbow still hasn't fully healed he will be throwing the javelin with his left arm. So if he appears to be struggling with the throws and pole, keep in mind he had surgery on his right elbow.
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Re: 2014 result of multi-event athletes-

Postby gktrack » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:07 pm

norunner - thanks for the post. Here's the field for the Texas Relays Dec/Hept:

http://stats.texassports.com/sports/xc_tf/2013-2014/140311_Relays_decathlon_entries.html

http://stats.texassports.com/sports/xc_tf/2013-2014/140311_Relays_heptathlon_entries.html

Surprised to see Beach entered given the NCAA's were just a bit ago - last year there was an extra week of rest in between the two meets.
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Postby 26mi235 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:50 pm

He can probably get a qualifying score easily enough and then he is free to train and compete. Also, if he fails (e.g., a nh) he can do another easily). The multis are 'direct to final' at NCAAs.
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