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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:16 am

DrJay wrote:Cain....so she runs for her HS as a junior and senior, jogs 5:15 and 2:20 to win duel meets, runs a bit faster to win invites, wins state, then runs 4:14 1500 at New Balance and 4:08 at Pre. Might not have gotten the 4:04 as a junior, but nevertheless breaks the NHSR. The 800 is a bit more problematic but she gets it as a senior. Her sequence of marks is not as impressive, but she gets the records, maybe a little slower than if she were just running and racing a pro schedule.
She's a once-in-a-lifetime HS middle distance star, the Edwin Moses or Sergey Bubka of her event (and then some.) Just enjoy it.

No one is saying she SHOULD run for her HS. She is waaay beyond that now, which is why the idea of her breaking "high school" records, even though she's the right age, seems weird to me. If she did what some kids do - go to college after her jr year in HS, she would also not be eligible for HS records. It's not about her 'age'; it's about the fact that she is NOT a high school runner.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:19 am

Pego wrote:College athletics is ruled by NCAA. I am not aware of a HS equivalent. Is it there? Nationally? I know the states have their governing bodies. Do they address professionalism? Some of them? All of them.

HS track is 'run' by NFHS, but their 'records' can only be set in championship meets. All the state federations have to follow NFHS rules. Some private schools don't belong, but I can't think of any public schools who don't. Here's the Florida rule:

9.9.2 Forfeiture of Amateur Status. A student-athlete forfeits amateur status in a particular sport for one year by:
(a) Competing for money or other monetary compensations;
(b) Receiving any award or prize of monetary value which has not been approved by the FHSAA;
(c) Capitalizing on athletic fame by receiving money or gifts of a monetary nature;
(d) Signing a professional playing contract in any sport or hiring an agent to manage his/her athletic career;
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby DrJay » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:22 am

Marlow wrote:No one is saying she SHOULD run for her HS. She is waaay beyond that now, which is why the idea of her breaking "high school" records, even though she's the right age, seems weird to me. If she did what some kids do - go to college after her jr year in HS, she would also not be eligible for HS records. It's not about her 'age'; it's about the fact that she is NOT a high school runner.


But it sounds like if she was running for her HS and all that entails, you would be more comfortable ascribing high school records to her. And her best times would be somewhat slower, but certainly still a HSR (by far) in the 1500/mile and likely (in a post-HS season meet) in the 800.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby JumboElliott » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:23 am

I like how the NFHS records work, because you need to win a race to set a record. Setting a record by finishing in the middle of the pack in a race that is above the high school level of competition seems artificial to me.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Pego » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:30 am

Marlow wrote:[quote="Pego"College athletics is ruled by NCAA. I am not aware of a HS equivalent. Is it there? Nationally? I know the states have their governing bodies. Do they address professionalism? Some of them? All of them.

HS track is 'run' by NFHS, but their 'records' can only be set in championship meets. All the state federations have to follow NFHS rules. Some private schools don't belong, but I can't think of any public schools who don't. Here's the Florida rule:

9.9.2 Forfeiture of Amateur Status. A student-athlete forfeits amateur status in a particular sport for one year by:
(a) Competing for money or other monetary compensations;
(b) Receiving any award or prize of monetary value which has not been approved by the FHSAA;
(c) Capitalizing on athletic fame by receiving money or gifts of a monetary nature;
(d) Signing a professional playing contract in any sport or hiring an agent to manage his/her athletic career;[/quote]

Thank you. This sounds pretty straight forward.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:17 am

DrJay wrote:But it sounds like if she was running for her HS and all that entails, you would be more comfortable ascribing high school records to her. And her best times would be somewhat slower, but certainly still a HSR (by far) in the 1500/mile and likely (in a post-HS season meet) in the 800.

I agree. If she ran for her HS, she WOULD be slowed in her progress, which means she DOES have a clear advantage over others when it comes to setting HSRs. I'm glad she is NOT running for her HS. But I also don't think HSRs are even a focus for her any more. Winning the Sr USATF is now; getting out on 'the circuit' is.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby aaronk » Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:07 pm

Wow, this is so cool!!
In a thread titled "2014 HS Returners", I post about some missing names (Efraimson, Roth, G Williams etc).
Then I mention it would be "EPIC" if a track race could be set up between Efraimson, Baxter, Cranny, and.......Mary Cain.

Then I don't say anything else.

Then the thread takes that throwaway comment about that fantasy race and turns it into a HUGE discussion about.......Mary Cain!!

Obsessive?
Creepy?

And still not anywhere to be seen are comments about Roth, Williams, Efraimson et al.
(Does anyone know what's happening with Gabrielle Williams? If she can return to her soph year shape next spring, she could nab the HSR in the HJ!!)

Okay, back to Mary!! :P
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby kuha » Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:41 pm

aaronk wrote:Obsessive?
Creepy?


You said it.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby aaronk » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:18 pm

kuha wrote:
aaronk wrote:Obsessive?
Creepy?


You said it.


I agree.......in a half-joking kind of way!
And for once, it's NOT focused on ME!!!! :D
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby kuha » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:32 pm

aaronk wrote:
kuha wrote:
aaronk wrote:Obsessive?
Creepy?


You said it.


in a half-joking kind of way!
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby aaronk » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:23 pm

kuha wrote:
aaronk wrote:
kuha wrote:
aaronk wrote:Obsessive?
Creepy?


You said it.


in a half-joking kind of way!


Who is obsessed and creepy now?
And you STILL don't get it, do you?/
So I'll guide you through it, step by step.

1. I write a ton of stuff about Cain throughout the indoor and outdoor track season.
2. I get attacked by you and several others, with the above 2 words used against me.
3. This thread appears, titled "2014 HS Returners".
4. I post that the names of Bailey Roth, Alexa Efraimson, and Gabrielle Williams are missing from people's lists.
5. I mention it would be great if a one-off track race could be set up between Efraimson, Baxter, Cranny, and Cain.
6. The next MANY posts (none by me!) ALL talk about Cain, and whether she's eligible to break HSR's, etc.....which BTW has nothing to do with this thread!!!
7 None of these people are attacked or called obsessive or creepy for going on and on about Cain!!
8. I decide to get a bit snarky, and "half-joke" about those others being obsessive and creepy.
9. Then YOU attack ME.....basically saying I am the one who's obsessive and creepy!!
10. NOT ONE WORD is said about the OTHERS who IGNORED what I said about Williams, Efraimson, and Roth.....and zeroed in on my fantasy race suggestion.....only 25% of which would include Cain!!!!!!

So how about BACKING OFF.......and instead of this bullshit you're throwing out......answer my queries about Williams and Roth.

That would be closer to the theme of this thread than all this crap about Cain!!!
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:55 pm

aaronk wrote:9. Then YOU attack ME.....basically saying I am the one who's obsessive and creepy!!
10. NOT ONE WORD is said about the OTHERS who IGNORED what I said about Williams, Efraimson, and Roth.....and zeroed in on my fantasy race suggestion.....only 25% of which would include Cain!!!!!! So how about BACKING OFF.......and instead of this bullshit you're throwing out......answer my queries about Williams and Roth.

Over-reaction alert!

Your obsession with MC is no more creepy or obsessive than mine for Stacy Dragila or trackdaddy's for Sanya Richards . . . uh . . . OK, bad examples . . .

Nah, you're fine. A little touchy, but fine. Kuha is fine too. :D
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby DCSIGMA » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:05 am

Does Long Beach Poly girls bring back all from their 4x1 that ran 44.9 last year?

I know Forest Park boys bring back 3/4 of their team that ran 40.5 at nationals....w/their fastest running M. Williams.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby philly cheesesteak » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:48 am

DCSIGMA wrote:Does Long Beach Poly girls bring back all from their 4x1 that ran 44.9 last year?

I know Forest Park boys bring back 3/4 of their team that ran 40.5 at nationals....w/their fastest running M. Williams.



I don't know about Forest Park.Poly had one senior on that squad,but I saw somewhere that they have a frosh phenom by the name of Lauren Williams at the school.If they stay healthy,they can do big things.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby philly cheesesteak » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:55 am

I THINK Serra(CA) has three guys returning from a 40.4 squad
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby aaronk » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:11 am

philly cheesesteak wrote:I THINK Serra(CA) has three guys returning from a 40.4 squad


You have the TASTIEST name on this Board!!! :D
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby philly cheesesteak » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:43 am

aaronk wrote:
philly cheesesteak wrote:I THINK Serra(CA) has three guys returning from a 40.4 squad


You have the TASTIEST name on this Board!!! :D

Thank you aaronk !
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby valleyrunner » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:09 pm

Marlow you are dead right on MC's INELIGIBILITY to set HS records. If a runner NEVER competes for their HS as MC didn't in 2013 and won't in 2014 then how can anyone justify giving them a HS record? Please try and actually justify gh, rather than pontificating with a response that shows you haven't even given this true thought.

We don't allow collegiate athletes to set CR's when they are enrolled in classes at college level and in their first 4 years if they are out of season or not participating for a college. MC has forced us to confront a new era. I don't begrudge her one bit to forego HS races but in so doing she also forfeits prep record consideration. She did receive benefits from Nike/Alberto Salazar during 2012 that no other prep has EVER received and as the year progresses will be under intense scrutiny as she decides her future academic/athletic endeavors. To allow all these benefits to MC and then hold all future HS athletes to this standard is incredibly unfair. A colleague asked her if she felt her marks should count as HS national marks and she said she understood why they shouldn't and admitted she would never again race in a prep only event. Allowing athletes to set prep marks in elite comp is ok IF they actually train in a typical HS environment. Training with elite runners makes MC ineligible and its HER choice to do so.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby aaronk » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:49 pm

Reading the above post by valleyrunner got me to thinking. (Uh oh!! :shock: )
Here's a hypothetical situation that might have SOME comparison to this argument.

A girl named Maggie is a high school student in Belladonna CA.
She wants to be a world famous actress.
In fact, she is considered an EXCELLENT actress already, even though just 17, having starred in HS plays her first 2 years there, as well as occasionally starring in the town's repertory theater group plays.

Finally, in her junior year at Belladonna, where she is a 4.2 GPA student, she hooks up with a World Famous actress turned director, Albertina Salazaria, who offers to put her in REALLY MAJOR productions, while also working on fixing a few "flaws" in her acting repertoire.
This actress says Maggie will remain a student and would receive no pay, thus allowing her to be considered for HS Actress of the Year Awards and such!!

But people are complaining, saying Maggie shouldn't be eligible for any awards OUTSIDE of her own school district productions, since she is "now a professional actress in every way except being signed to a contract and making money off her work".

Question: As long as she's still a full-time student, is doing straight-A work, is an inspiration to other budding actors at Belladonna HS, then why SHOULDN"T she be allowed to gain professional awards.....as long as she is not ACTUALLY a "professional" (since no contract has been signed and she doesn't get paid for her acting)??
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:23 am

aaronk wrote:But people are complaining, saying Maggie shouldn't be eligible for any awards OUTSIDE of her own school district productions, since she is "now a professional actress in every way except being signed to a contract and making money off her work".
Question: As long as she's still a full-time student, is doing straight-A work, is an inspiration to other budding actors at Belladonna HS, then why SHOULDN"T she be allowed to gain professional awards.....as long as she is not ACTUALLY a "professional" (since no contract has been signed and she doesn't get paid for her acting)??

Any HS awards Maggie would get would be exclusively for her HIGH SCHOOL roles. Her outside work can win her an Academy Award AND she most certainly CAN be paid and KEEP her 'eligibility' for HS productions. There is no analogy here. Wondering why athletes shouldn't be like artists of any kind is a non-starter. This is a remnant from the British gentlemen amateur athlete days, but it is what it is, a cultural norm.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby aaronk » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:43 am

Marlow wrote:
aaronk wrote:But people are complaining, saying Maggie shouldn't be eligible for any awards OUTSIDE of her own school district productions, since she is "now a professional actress in every way except being signed to a contract and making money off her work".
Question: As long as she's still a full-time student, is doing straight-A work, is an inspiration to other budding actors at Belladonna HS, then why SHOULDN"T she be allowed to gain professional awards.....as long as she is not ACTUALLY a "professional" (since no contract has been signed and she doesn't get paid for her acting)??

Any HS awards Maggie would get would be exclusively for her HIGH SCHOOL roles. Her outside work can win her an Academy Award AND she most certainly CAN be paid and KEEP her 'eligibility' for HS productions. There is no analogy here. Wondering why athletes shouldn't be like artists of any kind is a non-starter. This is a remnant from the British gentlemen amateur athlete days, but it is what it is, a cultural norm.


But I betcha you just LOVED I made Maggie's mentor the world famous "actress" Albertina Salazaria!!

Right?
Right??? :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby halharkness » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:12 am

aaronk, Your North Hollywood High education has been wasted. that's a pretty lame comparison.

This discussion is moot, although I totally agree that under her current circumstances, she should not be considered for high school records.

That being said, T&FN will continue to do what it wants to do.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:30 am

Cain is in HS and thus should hold HS records in my view.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:41 am

Dutra5 wrote:Cain is in HS and thus should hold HS records in my view.

Collegians who don't run for their school can't set college records; why should it be any different in high school?

I have no beef with T&FN recognizing her times as HSRs. I am merely pointing out the immense disparity between her and other HSers who must live within the constraints of their HS teams. There are others who train with superb coaches, not their HS coach, but none are able to do what MC did last season: run the races and live the 'life' of a pro, racing in only the most elite races. Of course, no one else could sustain that pace (pun!).

She's a once-in-a-generation phenomenon, and whatever honors she accumulates, more power to her. If she wants the HSRs, they're hers for the taking. It would be way cool if she asked that she be given no more. Next in her sights should be the CRs . . . then the ARs . . . then the . . . but I get ahead of myself . . . :D
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby aaronk » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:12 am

Marlow wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:Cain is in HS and thus should hold HS records in my view.

Collegians who don't run for their school can't set college records; why should it be any different in high school?

I have no beef with T&FN recognizing her times as HSRs. I am merely pointing out the immense disparity between her and other HSers who must live within the constraints of their HS teams. There are others who train with superb coaches, not their HS coach, but none are able to do what MC did last season: run the races and live the 'life' of a pro, racing in only the most elite races. Of course, no one else could sustain that pace (pun!).

She's a once-in-a-generation phenomenon, and whatever honors she accumulates, more power to her. If she wants the HSRs, they're hers for the taking. It would be way cool if she asked that she be given no more. Next in her sights should be the CRs . . . then the ARs . . . then the . . . but I get ahead of myself . . . :D


Great comment!
Obviously, as Prez of CainMania ( :D ), I would LOVE for her to crush EVERY record, HS, Coll, AR, and WR (from 800 through 10000).

But I would NOT want her to compete in college ONLY to get the CR's!!
Especially if she left after her freshman year (with 4 or 5 CR's in hand) to go pro.
I just can't picture her choosing to compete all 4 years of college!!

At Bronxville HS, she's been a student for 4 years, so her breaking records without competing for her school her last 2 years there can't be seen as self-serving or greedy.
It's just that she's too good to compete against girls who she could beat so easily.
It's useless for her, and an embarrassment for the other girls!!

I really hope she turns pro immediately upon graduation (or right after the WJC)!!
Attend college as a student, but train and compete as a professional!!
(And make mucho $$$$$ to pay for her tuition, if necessary (unless she gets an ACADEMIC scholarship!).
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:13 am

Marlow wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:Cain is in HS and thus should hold HS records in my view.

Collegians who don't run for their school can't set college records; why should it be any different in high school?


Would you have the same beef if she didn't compete for her High School because she was ineligible for some reason and then went out and put up a 1:56 800m at the end of the year whether HSers were in the race or not?

This is only an issue because a few think that the kid is "too good" and has warped the record book a bit.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:23 pm

Dutra5 wrote:A. Would you have the same beef if she didn't compete for her High School because she was ineligible for some reason and then went out and put up a 1:56 800m at the end of the year whether HSers were in the race or not?
B. This is only an issue because a few think that the kid is "too good" and has warped the record book a bit.

A. ??!! If she were ineligible, she would be ineligible. Period.
B. ??!! WE all LOVE that she is so good! Even if she was not eligible to set HSRs, we'd still love her. AND we love when someone warps the record books. I just think it's apples and oranges in comparing her to any other HS runner, who runs within the confines of a HS team.

What would we think of a purely home-schooled 17-year-old boy, representing no HS (as MC is not), who runs a sub-4 mile, because he trains only with pros, with his afternoons free every day for nothing but training?
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby DCSIGMA » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:44 pm

Well I tried to put in back on returning runners for 2014 other than mary cain....oh well... :D
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby philly cheesesteak » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:24 am

DCSIGMA wrote:Well I tried to put in back on returning runners for 2014 other than mary cain....oh well... :D

DCSIGMA,this is what I was talking about earlier with Poly,I hope I post this correctly

Sprints phenom Lauren Williams to attend LB Poly in the Fall of 2013!
http://www.prepcaltrack.com/2013/06/11/ ... d-lb-poly/
Sprint sensation Lauren Wlliams, among the fastest age groupers in national history, will attend Long Poly Polytechnic High School as a freshman in the fall, according to her mother. Williams ran a personal best of 23.71 (wind-aided) for 200 meters as a seventh grader in 2012 and also ran 11.94 for the 100. Her 200 time would have ranked third in California this year on the all-conditions list. With her 2013 season just now picking up steam as the national age-group meets approach, Williams will undoutedly threaten those marks. Last weekend, she clocked 11.86w and 24.41 at the USATF Junior Olympics Association meet at Cerritos College. At last check, she held EIGHT age-group world records. At Long Beach Poly, she'll join a spectaclar crew of speesters that includes Ariana Washington, Maya Perkins, Jade Lewis, Kymber Payne, Ebony Crear and Hollie Harris, among others. The crew could emerge as the deepest and strongest collection of speed in Golden [...]
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby JumboElliott » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:00 am

If an athlete isn't wearing the uniform of their high school or college, it should not count as a record for either.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:23 am

JumboElliott wrote:If an athlete isn't wearing the uniform of their high school or college, it should not count as a record for either.

Good point. If she is not representing her high school, how can she even be considered for a high school record? In the post-season meets, I still see many wearing their HS jerseys, and some don't, but at least they are still 'representing' their schools.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby TxHottrack » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:26 am

JumboElliott wrote:If an athlete isn't wearing the uniform of their high school or college, it should not count as a record for either.


Agreed!
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby DCSIGMA » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:47 am

philly cheesesteak wrote:
DCSIGMA wrote:Well I tried to put in back on returning runners for 2014 other than mary cain....oh well... :D

DCSIGMA,this is what I was talking about earlier with Poly,I hope I post this correctly

Sprints phenom Lauren Williams to attend LB Poly in the Fall of 2013!
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Does poly have open enrollment?
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby bushop » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:08 pm

Seems like what we US Americans call high school records the rest of the world (ie. IAAF) calls age group records (U18, U20, U23) records... it's a semantical discussion. We're so interscholasticly centric in the sports realm (sadly).

Also, what if someone's school did not offer track & field or cross country... are they SOL as well?
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby bushop » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:05 pm

Marlow wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:If an athlete isn't wearing the uniform of their high school or college, it should not count as a record for either.
Good point. If she is not representing her high school, how can she even be considered for a high school record? In the post-season meets, I still see many wearing their HS jerseys, and some don't, but at least they are still 'representing' their schools.

So... then whatever Wolf Mahler achieved in this uniform (see photo) would not count for high school record or list purposes? ... unless he attended Texas Elite High School
2013 TRACK & FIELD NEWS HIGH SCHOOL BOYS ALL-AMERICA NO. 1s

... and throw out Crouser's record (OTA High School?)
Ryan Crouser National High School Discus Record 237'5"
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:07 pm

bushop wrote:
Marlow wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:If an athlete isn't wearing the uniform of their high school or college, it should not count as a record for either.
Good point. If she is not representing her high school, how can she even be considered for a high school record? In the post-season meets, I still see many wearing their HS jerseys, and some don't, but at least they are still 'representing' their schools.

So... then whatever Wolf Mahler achieved in this uniform (see photo) would not count for high school record or list purposes? ... unless he attended Texas Elite High School
2013 TRACK & FIELD NEWS HIGH SCHOOL BOYS ALL-AMERICA NO. 1s
... and throw out Crouser's record (OTA High School?)
Ryan Crouser National High School Discus Record 237'5"

Marlow wrote:I still see many wearing their HS jerseys, and some don't, but at least they are still 'representing' their schools.

Did you miss that?
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby bushop » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:59 pm

Marlow wrote:
bushop wrote:
Marlow wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:If an athlete isn't wearing the uniform of their high school or college, it should not count as a record for either.
Good point. If she is not representing her high school, how can she even be considered for a high school record? In the post-season meets, I still see many wearing their HS jerseys, and some don't, but at least they are still 'representing' their schools.

So... then whatever Wolf Mahler achieved in this uniform (see photo) would not count for high school record or list purposes? ... unless he attended Texas Elite High School
2013 TRACK & FIELD NEWS HIGH SCHOOL BOYS ALL-AMERICA NO. 1s
... and throw out Crouser's record (OTA High School?)
Ryan Crouser National High School Discus Record 237'5"
Marlow wrote:I still see many wearing their HS jerseys, and some don't, but at least they are still 'representing' their schools.
Did you miss that?

Nope... but which is it... a "Good point." or not? I included your post since I was not clear on the meaning of your 'quote' marks. Inside your point-of-view; how is someone competing outside the school season, not sponsored by their alma mater, different from Cain for record purposes?
... a student represents their school because they attend the school, regardless of what extra curricular activities are offered by the school.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby philly cheesesteak » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:35 am

DCSIGMA wrote:
philly cheesesteak wrote:
DCSIGMA wrote:Well I tried to put in back on returning runners for 2014 other than mary cain....oh well... :D

DCSIGMA,this is what I was talking about earlier with Poly,I hope I post this correctly

Sprints phenom Lauren Williams to attend LB Poly in the Fall of 2013!
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Does poly have open enrollment?

I believe they do,I can't be quoted on that.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby Marlow » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:00 am

philly cheesesteak wrote:I can't be quoted on that.

Of course you can.
philly cheesesteak wrote:I believe they do

I just did.
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Re: 2014 HS Returners

Postby bushop » Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:08 pm

Marlow wrote:I still see many wearing their HS jerseys, and some don't, but at least they are still 'representing' their schools. Did you miss that?
Nope... but which is it... a "Good point." or not?
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