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Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby no one » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:43 am

Mt Sac XC Invite on video steam - right now

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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby aaronk » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:30 am

Sarah Baxter went out super fast........66 first 400, 4:58 at the mile, 10 secs faster than last year, when she set the record at 16:00.
But she lost too much time on the 2nd mile, running 10:48 at 2, three secs slower than last year's pace.
Thus, she lost total of 13 secs on that 2nd mile vis a vis 2012 pace.
And she finished 10 secs behind 2012, with 16:10.
Still, it was a senior class record for her, and 2nd best ever at Mt SAC!!

The boys race was GREAT!!
Blake Haney went out in 61, but had 3 or 4 guys for company.
Then an Alaskan took over, challenging Haney, with 2 or 3 others not far behind.
When next we saw them, Haney was in 4th!!
The winner.......sorry, don't have his name!......ran 14:26, 3rd best ever at Mt SAC!!

One lousy thing with the livestream.
During each race, the girls and the boys, they spent 3 or 4 minutes introducing the NEXT race, thus cutting away from Baxter's great run....and the great competition in the boy's race!!
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:02 am

aaronk wrote:Sarah Baxter went out super fast........66 first 400, 4:58 at the mile, 10 secs faster than last year, when she set the record at 16:00.
But she lost too much time on the 2nd mile, running 10:48 at 2, three secs slower than last year's pace.
Thus, she lost total of 13 secs on that 2nd mile vis a vis 2012 pace.
And she finished 10 secs behind 2012, with 16:10.
Still, it was a senior class record for her, and 2nd best ever at Mt SAC!!


Another example of losing a second for every second you are too fast early. And, not a particularly smart way to run a Mt SAC course that she knows well.
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby aaronk » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:29 am

Boys winner was Tal Braude, and his official time was 14:27.
Sarah Baxter's official time was 16:11.
(Great article on Baxter's race on the Flotrack site!!)
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby booond » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:45 pm

26mi235 wrote:
aaronk wrote:Sarah Baxter went out super fast........66 first 400, 4:58 at the mile, 10 secs faster than last year, when she set the record at 16:00.
But she lost too much time on the 2nd mile, running 10:48 at 2, three secs slower than last year's pace.
Thus, she lost total of 13 secs on that 2nd mile vis a vis 2012 pace.
And she finished 10 secs behind 2012, with 16:10.
Still, it was a senior class record for her, and 2nd best ever at Mt SAC!!


Another example of losing a second for every second you are too fast early. And, not a particularly smart way to run a Mt SAC course that she knows well.



Difference between 2012 and 2013 was degrees - approximately 15-20 degrees hotter today. Give her credit for running to beat the record, not like any other runner would be within 200 yards of her.
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:17 pm

I saw a post that said that at race time it was not that hot. It was relatively early in the day, I think. I checked the weather record for the Pomona area, three different zips surrounding the area. One had higher temps and lower dew point, the other two similar temps and higher dew points. However, 'higher dew points' here is low-to-mid 50s, and temps in the low 70s. Even if the race was as late as 11, the weather was not that hot, especially for California kids in October when triple-digit temps are not unknown. However, the records for today are a bit mixed up, so it could have been hotter than the three reports indicated.

And, if it is hot, going out at 4:58 pace is a race strategy that the runner and her coach both have to live with and for which I have zero sympathy.
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby Master Po » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:59 am

Well, Baxter did win the race, ran the second fastest time ever on that course, and set a senior class best on that course. Credit to her as well for going for the (her) course record. As for the strategy for approaching that record, definitely questionable, imo. A 5:10 opening mile might have ended up with her closer to 16:00, but what do I know -- she's the athlete, she knows what might be possible. In any case, a good day's work, and an excellent result. Congratulations to her!
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby aaronk » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:56 am

Just to compare......,
Baxter ran a 66 first 400 (must be downhill!!)....
Blake Haney ran his 1st 400 in 61.

Baxter wound up the winner by a large margin.
Haney wound up finishing in 5th place!!
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby no one » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:03 am

the announcer kept saying - numerous times - that Baxter was the greatest HS runner in America. She certainly is an impressive, fluid, and economical one - as well as fast. I remember seeing JUlia Stamps run there and she was 30+/- seconds slower - not that she wouldn't/couldn't have upped her game with someone there or ahead of her. Still - the race was for second almost immediately ... clear separation @ 400m.

Back to my first sentence - does that mean Mary Cain is ineligible for HS running - understanding that she might be in a class of her own - I would like to see Cain - Baxter showdown - and not in a mud puddle. Doubt Baxter would be close on the track, but xc might be another story

My brother and I were talking and wondering how many teams ... runners run Sac .. I think I've read ~ 16,000 on a given year.

Now there is some talk about having to move Sac races (including Relays) for the next couple of years for construction in around stadium. Causing some grief in the running circles.
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby booond » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:34 pm

26mi235 wrote:And, if it is hot, going out at 4:58 pace is a race strategy that the runner and her coach both have to live with and for which I have zero sympathy.


I'm sure there will be a lot of sleepless nights in Simi Valley over your opinion.
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:47 pm

By the way, she should get one more cut at Mt SAC, since that is where they usually run the Footlocker race. If she does not run it there is no way I would consider her the best XC runner in high school; she loses that possibility by defaulting on the standard measure of quality.
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby no one » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:24 pm

I think footlocker @ mtsac is a sure bet - been holding there for last decade or so. they alter the course a bit - to make it an accurate (?) 5k. My money is on her to win there, pretty easily. When watching the video of her - she looks so smooth and 'easy'

Too bad salazar is holding Cain out for what would surely be a race for the ages. Don't know what Cain is like on hills (both up and down). If the course is dry (sac) it would favor cain ... In fact most courses would favor Cain (IMHO)

Last yrs NIke event was ridiculously muddy and it was almost a swimming meet - Baxter won - but Cain was coming on in the end.
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby halharkness » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:40 pm

The Footlocker West Regional at Mt. Sac is the same day as the NXN in Portland and Baxter/Simi Valley have run there at least the past two years.

The Regional course at Mt. Sac is not the high school course as it lengthened to a full 5k.

Baxter has two more races on the traditional high school course in the CIF Southern Section prelims (Nov. 16) and the Finals (Nov. 23). These are races that she runs only to win as the California State Championship meet is November 30 in Fresno.
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Re: Mt Sac xc Invite

Postby no one » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:04 am

thanks to Hal for clarification. I forgot Footlocker NXN happen the same day . Wish they weren't
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